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four_or_six

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In both matches the Aussies were one wicket away from causing real problems, so I don't think they should panic too much. I think it's more going to be a problem for them the amount of pressure that is on the bowlers now.
 

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yes, but they were indisputably under pressure on that final day in Bangalore at 2-24
By the state of the match, sure. But not the bowling. Point I was trying to make, if the Aussie bowling gets on top, wouldn't back the Indian middle-order to get them out of it as easily as they've batted in the series so far.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
An Indian commentator whose name escapes me was on the ABC radio coverage last test and described Kumble as the "greatest test match winner in Indian history". "More than Tendulkar?" "Easily".

When you think about it, he's taken an awful lot of wickets. Doesn't matter how many runs you score, if you don't take 20, you don't win the game. Thoughts on the comparision between the two?
I don't think there is any comparison really. Anyone who has watched Indian Tests for the last 20 years will tell you who has won more games. I would go so far as to say he has won more games than the entire Indian batting lineup - no joke. Easily the greatest match winner in Indian history.

In games won at home Kumble averages 17.38. In games lost at home, he averages 39.10.

In games won at home he has taken 208 wickets in 28 matches. That's 7.4 wickets/game in Indian wins.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think there is any comparison really. Anyone who has watched Indian Tests for the last 20 years will tell you who has won more games. I would go so far as to say he has won more games than the entire Indian batting lineup - no joke. Easily the greatest match winner in Indian history.

In games won at home Kumble averages 17.38. In games lost at home, he averages 39.10.
In games won at home he has taken 208 wickets in 28 matches. That's 7.4 wickets/game in Indian wins.
Always think that's a somewhat meaningless stat, unless you accompany it with the count of how many of each result there were. Otherwise, you don't get a sense for how frequent his good performances were cf. his poor ones, although I suppose you still get the point that there's a particular correlation between his performance and the team's.
 

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Always think that's a somewhat meaningless stat, unless you accompany it with the count of how many of each result there were. Otherwise, you don't get a sense for how frequent his good performances were cf. his poor ones, although I suppose you still get the point that there's a particular correlation between his performance and the team's.
Yeah but this is one of those instances where you don't really need the stats to know Kumble has been an important match-winner for India at home.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Honestly, lack faith that Krejza or White will take wickets. Bollinger on the other hand, the guy has proven he can take wickets in India. I know it won't happen but I reckon it's our best chance at winning this Test.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
My foolproof-bet-your-house-on-it preview:

Feroz Shah Kotla is just about the worst venue for Australia to go at. India win there all the time, mainly due to the pitch suiting Kumble perfectly. Australia were humbled and suffered their biggest loss by runs in more than a decade, and India seem to be on the ascendancy.

Or so that's what everyone says. The devil lies in the details. First, Kumble, that match winner of yesteryear, is no longer the force he once was, and even if he is, cannot be expected to run through a side while recovering from an injury. To make matters worse, Harbhajan is also suffering and may not be fully fit. If he does not play, we'll have Mishra - who did well in the first match, but will not be an unknown quantity any more. Ishant still hasn't figured out how to take wickets consistantly even though he troubles batsmen, and Zaheer can easily get overconfident. Plus, if you attack him, sometimes he can get too defensive early on, and that could be bad. The Indian batting lineup is not what it once was either, and can be brittle and prone to collapses, especially if there is good pressure from both sides. Dravid is averaging 30 in two years, Tendulkar is on the decline, Laxman is a drag on the middle order, Dhoni is unproven in Tests and Sehwag is pretty much the only one that can put up a big score - and that too only in the first innings.

Add to this Australia have been hearing doom and gloom predictions about their stature in cricket, and Ponting is probably fuming that people are calling him a bad captain, and his personal performances aren't lifting him up. He can feel slighted, considering every team that visits India loses, including Aussie teams at their peak - and sometimes they lose by an innings too. The only difference is, now people are no longer giving the Australians the benefit of the doubt - after all, it's not like they've only lost two series in a decade or anything. So I think Australians will be pumped up and it'll be their big comeback - the entire team will have an us-against-the-world mentality and they'll go all out in winning this Test.

Krejza did not do well in the tour game, so he'll be pumped up, and India may underestimate him based on his one performance, and get carried away on a pitch that may suit him. White hasn't bowled badly and this'll be the first pitch that will go in his favor. And we know that Clarke can easily break the Indian lineup in the space of a few overs (remember his 6/9 or this three wickets in an over)? Add to that the Aussie bowlers will be picking apart any secrets of reverse swing, and Brett Lee will probably start getting used to the conditions here - a bowler of his quality simply won't be kept down forever.

You also have the best lineup in the world. Hayden looked to be aggressive before a freak sweep shot got him out - this is a shot he has gotten hundreds of runs with in his career. Hussey played a very un-Hussey shot to get out, and he certainly won't be doing that again. Watto is coming on strong, and Ponting will be wanting to rectify his bad run and go back to his first Test form. All the Aussies have something to prove, individually and as a team.

So you have potential Indian overconfidence not in line with their ability, and an Australian team that feels slighted and madly wants to prove everyone wrong - I think we have a recipe here for a big Aussie win.

Final Prediction: Aussies to win by 220 runs.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
The Indian batting lineup is not what it once was either, and can be brittle and prone to collapses, especially if there is good pressure from both sides. Dravid is averaging 30 in two years, Tendulkar is on the decline, Laxman is a drag on the middle order, Dhoni is unproven in Tests and Sehwag is pretty much the only one that can put up a big score - and that too only in the first innings.
Dhoni still unproven? He's no Gilchrist or Flower, but he's a much more than handy 7. Sehwag got runs in the second dig at Mohali. Tendulkar is still class, and Gambhir's come on in leaps and bounds. It's a nice kind of brittle that Indian middle order!

That said, Australia ftw...
 

pasag

RTDAS
My foolproof-bet-your-house-on-it preview:

Feroz Shah Kotla is just about the worst venue for Australia to go at. India win there all the time, mainly due to the pitch suiting Kumble perfectly. Australia were humbled and suffered their biggest loss by runs in more than a decade, and India seem to be on the ascendancy.

Or so that's what everyone says. The devil lies in the details. First, Kumble, that match winner of yesteryear, is no longer the force he once was, and even if he is, cannot be expected to run through a side while recovering from an injury. To make matters worse, Harbhajan is also suffering and may not be fully fit. If he does not play, we'll have Mishra - who did well in the first match, but will not be an unknown quantity any more. Ishant still hasn't figured out how to take wickets consistantly even though he troubles batsmen, and Zaheer can easily get overconfident. Plus, if you attack him, sometimes he can get too defensive early on, and that could be bad. The Indian batting lineup is not what it once was either, and can be brittle and prone to collapses, especially if there is good pressure from both sides. Dravid is averaging 30 in two years, Tendulkar is on the decline, Laxman is a drag on the middle order, Dhoni is unproven in Tests and Sehwag is pretty much the only one that can put up a big score - and that too only in the first innings.

Add to this Australia have been hearing doom and gloom predictions about their stature in cricket, and Ponting is probably fuming that people are calling him a bad captain, and his personal performances aren't lifting him up. He can feel slighted, considering every team that visits India loses, including Aussie teams at their peak - and sometimes they lose by an innings too. The only difference is, now people are no longer giving the Australians the benefit of the doubt - after all, it's not like they've only lost two series in a decade or anything. So I think Australians will be pumped up and it'll be their big comeback - the entire team will have an us-against-the-world mentality and they'll go all out in winning this Test.

Krejza did not do well in the tour game, so he'll be pumped up, and India may underestimate him based on his one performance, and get carried away on a pitch that may suit him. White hasn't bowled badly and this'll be the first pitch that will go in his favor. And we know that Clarke can easily break the Indian lineup in the space of a few overs (remember his 6/9 or this three wickets in an over)? Add to that the Aussie bowlers will be picking apart any secrets of reverse swing, and Brett Lee will probably start getting used to the conditions here - a bowler of his quality simply won't be kept down forever.

You also have the best lineup in the world. Hayden looked to be aggressive before a freak sweep shot got him out - this is a shot he has gotten hundreds of runs with in his career. Hussey played a very un-Hussey shot to get out, and he certainly won't be doing that again. Watto is coming on strong, and Ponting will be wanting to rectify his bad run and go back to his first Test form. All the Aussies have something to prove, individually and as a team.

So you have potential Indian overconfidence not in line with their ability, and an Australian team that feels slighted and madly wants to prove everyone wrong - I think we have a recipe here for a big Aussie win.

Final Prediction: Aussies to win by 220 runs.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Don't think there's much wrong with the Aussie batting, they've mostly been done-in by some fantastic Indian bowling and the pressure of facing big totals. Related to that, the bowling has been the big worry. M'thinks if the Aussies forget about getting reverse swing and just play high-percentage cricket, like they're more used to doing anyway, they're in with a chance of giving India a run for their money. I get the feeling the bowling feels a bit besieged, just need a bit of luck, a decent burst, etc.

Get the feeling the Indian batting hasn't really been tested in this series yet. They've had some good starts and have looked really positive. If that's changed, reckon the Indian middle-order will be under real pressure.
Reckon they were tested in the first innings of the first test, and failed, but the lower order saved them.

Reckon they looked screwed after Gambhir, Dravid and Laxman all fell quickly in the first test, but Tendulkar and Ganguly settled and got them to what was in the end a match winning first innings total.

Australia have had the quick bursts of wickets, including lucky leg-side catches and poor shots from Indian batsmen. Don't really see what more they want, India didn't bat too great on a flat wicket in the first innings of the 2nd test IMO.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
By the state of the match, sure. But not the bowling. Point I was trying to make, if the Aussie bowling gets on top, wouldn't back the Indian middle-order to get them out of it as easily as they've batted in the series so far.
Sorry, misunderstood your earlier post then. Disregard my reply above :)
 

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I don't think there is any comparison really. Anyone who has watched Indian Tests for the last 20 years will tell you who has won more games. I would go so far as to say he has won more games than the entire Indian batting lineup - no joke. Easily the greatest match winner in Indian history.

In games won at home Kumble averages 17.38. In games lost at home, he averages 39.10.

In games won at home he has taken 208 wickets in 28 matches. That's 7.4 wickets/game in Indian wins.
I've been pushing heavily for Mishra's inclusion, but i completely agree with this. On very dry fourth-innings pitches, Kumble's pace often made him a more awkward proposition than Warne or Murali. Kumble at home has been the ultimate test-match finisher over the past 20 years.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
If Harbhajan is injured, it may just all be a non-issue. Kumble was always coming back in anyway if fully fit, but this just makes it cleaner and less talk of "how do you drop a guy who just took 7 wickets"
 

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If Harbhajan is injured, it may just all be a non-issue. Kumble was always coming back in anyway if fully fit, but this just makes it cleaner and less talk of "how do you drop a guy who just took 7 wickets"
I don't think that should come into it tbh. I'm in favour of "pick the team most likely to win the match." Having read the groundsman's pitch report, it's probably Kumble now in truth. On pretty much any other pitch i'd have Mishra.

Also, Kumble will be made captain again. Good news for Australia fans IMO.
 

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