NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
In terms of ending an international career I meant. But yeah, was forced out.
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***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh
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HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I wouldn't expect the openers to hang around for too long. Decent seam bowling line up, but Wiseman is, was and ever shall be distinctly average.
Marshall. Pah.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Reckon they should play the first ever Test match to be staged in batting nets. Would be gun.
~DanVettoriFan~
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Maybe the rain is a good thing lol, who knows how we would have played. :|
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Link? Can't find it anywhere on the Herald website.
freckleslol
School Boy/Girl Captain
strange, I just had a look too and couldn't find anything.
It was in the Sunday Herald though. if i get sick of study - inevitable - I'll type it up soon.
It was in the Sunday Herald though. if i get sick of study - inevitable - I'll type it up soon.
I thought it was in the Sunday Times...perhaps I am dreaming.
I read the article yesterday, but didnt pay much attention to which paper it was in. Was an interesting and pretty funny read though.
Anyway know what is going on in Bangladesh at the moment? Cricinfo is utterly useless and still has this message:
I read the article yesterday, but didnt pay much attention to which paper it was in. Was an interesting and pretty funny read though.
Anyway know what is going on in Bangladesh at the moment? Cricinfo is utterly useless and still has this message:
It is currently 12.42pm local time and no update.
freckleslol
School Boy/Girl Captain
well it's two pages worth so I'm not going to write everything but I'll try to include as much as I can - some brain dead work is always good after a day of churning out essays...
The criteria for making the exiles XI:
-still have to be playing in a professional league
-some not included however because they have not played first-class rcicket in recent years: thus no Cairns or Parore
-also included players who have "retired" but would be capable at the highest level
Craig Spearman
Age 36
Test/FC average: 26.34/38.25
blah blah blah... even though he was a bit suspect at international level, when he fires he will get this side off to a flier.
Matthew Sinclair
Age 32
Test FC average: 32.55/46.75
Only player selected still available for the Black Caps. Has opened before; if he gets in could bat for two days. Selectors would tell Sinclair his place was secure for the medium term, giving him confidence to bat for freedom.
Stephen Fleming
Age 35
Test/FC average: 40.06/43.87
Even though he might face the new ball early he was the best at it anyway; will score consistently because he is class.
Goes on for the same vein for the rest of the players... I just realised I couldn't be bothered typing that out.
Head to Head
TOP ORDER
NZ: Redmond, How and Ryder have no test centuries between all three; Ryder has the most impressive record but they are all vulnerable; How must be one of the few batsmen who look better at the start than when they're set.
Exiles: an element of feast or famine but Fleming is a calming influence (and over 7000 test runs). If Spearman bats for an hour chances are he'll have 40; if Sinclair bats for two then chances are he'll bat for nine.
Edge to the exiles
MIDDLE ORDER
NZ: Two right handed dashers in Taylor and McCullum and backed up by Flynn who has big shots but does a lot of blocking in-between. If McCullum and Taylor get in they will hurt but it hasn't happened enough to be scared.
Exiles: Plenty of class in Vincent, Styris and McMillan but only Styris was ever close to consistent. Statistically they'd fancy their chances of outscoring their opposition.
Edge: exiles
ALL ROUNDERS
NZ: Oram and Vettori have every right to lay claim to allround status (Oram sporadic with the ball however) as can McCullum
Exiles: Marshall is a keeper for the purpose of this exercise and Adams has not been prolific enough with the bat to warrant true allround status.
Edge: NZ
SPIN BOWLING
NZ: Vettori can be nullified if you're prepared to play out maidens while the jury is still out on Patel (and Redmond
) However, there are a fair few egos who would fancy their chances against Vettori, playing into his plans
Exiles: Paul Wiseman: sucks
Edge: NZ
SEAM BOWLING
NZ: no cutting edge when Martin injured. You'll get maximum effort from O'Brien and he'll get wickets just as bowling machines sometimes do. Mills might woble the odd ball around and winkle one or two out, while Oram will keep it tight.
Exiles: Bond and Tuffey will be a real handful bowling first but watch for any grimaces... when these guys get injured, they break.
Edge: exiles
Fielding:
NZ: How much underrated; Oram is terrific in the deep; Taylor is turning into a decent slipper; Patel is capable of good stuff; Mills was once good but seems to have lost pace and O'Brien has to be hidden. McCullum is terrific.
Exiles: Marshall should be OK as seamers will do most of the bowling. Vincent and Sinclair can also keep as well as being excellent fielders. Fleming and Styris have great hands but this is an ageing team.
Edge: NZ
LEADERSHIP/EXPERIENCE
NZ: Vettori is leading from the front but it's too early to tell whether he's a great. You have to presume he will gain a bit more autonomy post-Bracewell. Few senior players to fall back on.
Exiles: Fleming was NZ's most successful captain. Experience all over.
VERDICT
Tight one to call but the exiles win if they win the toss and bowl first, with Bond and Adams landing the fatal blows. Even with Vettori bowling last the target will be too small to defend.
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I got quite lazy and paraphrased most of it but there's the gist of it
The criteria for making the exiles XI:
-still have to be playing in a professional league
-some not included however because they have not played first-class rcicket in recent years: thus no Cairns or Parore
-also included players who have "retired" but would be capable at the highest level
Craig Spearman
Age 36
Test/FC average: 26.34/38.25
blah blah blah... even though he was a bit suspect at international level, when he fires he will get this side off to a flier.
Matthew Sinclair
Age 32
Test FC average: 32.55/46.75
Only player selected still available for the Black Caps. Has opened before; if he gets in could bat for two days. Selectors would tell Sinclair his place was secure for the medium term, giving him confidence to bat for freedom.
Stephen Fleming
Age 35
Test/FC average: 40.06/43.87
Even though he might face the new ball early he was the best at it anyway; will score consistently because he is class.
Goes on for the same vein for the rest of the players... I just realised I couldn't be bothered typing that out.
Head to Head
TOP ORDER
NZ: Redmond, How and Ryder have no test centuries between all three; Ryder has the most impressive record but they are all vulnerable; How must be one of the few batsmen who look better at the start than when they're set.
Exiles: an element of feast or famine but Fleming is a calming influence (and over 7000 test runs). If Spearman bats for an hour chances are he'll have 40; if Sinclair bats for two then chances are he'll bat for nine.
Edge to the exiles
MIDDLE ORDER
NZ: Two right handed dashers in Taylor and McCullum and backed up by Flynn who has big shots but does a lot of blocking in-between. If McCullum and Taylor get in they will hurt but it hasn't happened enough to be scared.
Exiles: Plenty of class in Vincent, Styris and McMillan but only Styris was ever close to consistent. Statistically they'd fancy their chances of outscoring their opposition.
Edge: exiles
ALL ROUNDERS
NZ: Oram and Vettori have every right to lay claim to allround status (Oram sporadic with the ball however) as can McCullum
Exiles: Marshall is a keeper for the purpose of this exercise and Adams has not been prolific enough with the bat to warrant true allround status.
Edge: NZ
SPIN BOWLING
NZ: Vettori can be nullified if you're prepared to play out maidens while the jury is still out on Patel (and Redmond
) However, there are a fair few egos who would fancy their chances against Vettori, playing into his plansExiles: Paul Wiseman: sucks
Edge: NZ
SEAM BOWLING
NZ: no cutting edge when Martin injured. You'll get maximum effort from O'Brien and he'll get wickets just as bowling machines sometimes do. Mills might woble the odd ball around and winkle one or two out, while Oram will keep it tight.
Exiles: Bond and Tuffey will be a real handful bowling first but watch for any grimaces... when these guys get injured, they break.
Edge: exiles
Fielding:
NZ: How much underrated; Oram is terrific in the deep; Taylor is turning into a decent slipper; Patel is capable of good stuff; Mills was once good but seems to have lost pace and O'Brien has to be hidden. McCullum is terrific.
Exiles: Marshall should be OK as seamers will do most of the bowling. Vincent and Sinclair can also keep as well as being excellent fielders. Fleming and Styris have great hands but this is an ageing team.
Edge: NZ
LEADERSHIP/EXPERIENCE
NZ: Vettori is leading from the front but it's too early to tell whether he's a great. You have to presume he will gain a bit more autonomy post-Bracewell. Few senior players to fall back on.
Exiles: Fleming was NZ's most successful captain. Experience all over.
VERDICT
Tight one to call but the exiles win if they win the toss and bowl first, with Bond and Adams landing the fatal blows. Even with Vettori bowling last the target will be too small to defend.
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I got quite lazy and paraphrased most of it but there's the gist of it
Natman20
International Debutant
They should declare the first two innings tommorrow and go at it aggressively.
Wiseman I thought looked allright a few years back (maybe 4 maybe 5). He seemed really handy during the first class county season this year, though more so with the bat than the ball. He seemed like he was the one that came on got a couple wickets and held the team together at the end scoring the 30s to 50s every now and then.
Adams is a mystery to me. He gets such good figures for and domestic game anywhere but yet he was average most of the time he played for NZ. There were moments in that world cup when he appeared (also other moments eg. double bounce). Hmmmm. Really don't know. His batting was always over-rated and I don't think he has scored very many decent scores in any domestic cricket comps recently (take out the final of state twenty20 or whatever it was, it was a one off).
Wiseman I thought looked allright a few years back (maybe 4 maybe 5). He seemed really handy during the first class county season this year, though more so with the bat than the ball. He seemed like he was the one that came on got a couple wickets and held the team together at the end scoring the 30s to 50s every now and then.
Adams is a mystery to me. He gets such good figures for and domestic game anywhere but yet he was average most of the time he played for NZ. There were moments in that world cup when he appeared (also other moments eg. double bounce). Hmmmm. Really don't know. His batting was always over-rated and I don't think he has scored very many decent scores in any domestic cricket comps recently (take out the final of state twenty20 or whatever it was, it was a one off).
I'll forever remember him for hitting Graeme Aldridge for 12 in 1 ball to win that game for the Aces. Absolutely classic.
Adams generally did very well with the red ball, and not so well with the white ball. He got the red ball to talk no matter what the conditions, that is why you see him take so many wickets at domestic level. He is quick enough (130-135) and seams the ball both ways.
I think he could have done an ok job at test level, but I don't think he ever would have been a standout. Probably would have been handy at the opposite end to Bond, if Bond was playing of course.
Adams generally did very well with the red ball, and not so well with the white ball. He got the red ball to talk no matter what the conditions, that is why you see him take so many wickets at domestic level. He is quick enough (130-135) and seams the ball both ways.
I think he could have done an ok job at test level, but I don't think he ever would have been a standout. Probably would have been handy at the opposite end to Bond, if Bond was playing of course.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Didn't he only hit him for 10? 4(nb) 6, as I recall.
Either way - that was a classic moment, even though it meant that Auckland won the match, Aldo must have felt totally sick afterwards.
stumpski
International Captain
Can they do that without wasting 20 minutes though? There'd have to be at least one ball bowled in each innings wouldn't there?
On the other hand, a repeat of the Centurion Test of 2000, an innings each forfeited, preferably without a bet on the side ...
But I suspect New Zealand will be happy to sit on a 1-0 lead.
Jungle Jumbo
International Vice-Captain
Why did they not play the CCDM last year? It was definitely down on the calendar.
No balls were worth two in the 2020 comp. So it was a no ball (2) that went for 4 as well, then a six. 12 in total.
^ What he said.No balls were worth two in the 2020 comp. So it was a no ball (2) that went for 4 as well, then a six. 12 in total.
It was absolutely classic. I can't believe Aldridge was that stupid
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
It's a tough one, cause it would be very dire to see NZ make something like 6/210 from 90 overs or something and the game end up a draw [if Bangladesh don't collapse twice].
I would love to see both teams play like a Twenty20 game in the first innings, and then game on for the remaining 150 overs.