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Precambrian

Banned
The one where he cleaned up the lower order with an oldish ball?

It's Test cricket mate, the Australians have to expect good bowling.
Tail or no tail, what we saw was quality reverse swing. The WWs were famous for exactly the same, polishing off them with reverse swing using the old ball. And I don't think Haddin (FC avg 40+), White (FC avg 40+) and Lee (Test avg 20+) qualify as exactly the tail.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think the point HJ is trying to make is that the Aust batsmen (and Media, in a different sense) need to get over their pre-occupation with reverse swing and how it's their undoing, and just concentrate on their own games, and being prepared to face some high quality seam/pace bowling. :)

Of course, I could he wrong... :p
 

Precambrian

Banned
I think the point HJ is trying to make is that the Aust batsmen (and Media, in a different sense) need to get over their pre-occupation with reverse swing and how it's their undoing, and just concentrate on their own games, and being prepared to face some high quality seam/pace bowling. :)

Of course, I could he wrong... :p
AWTA> It's like trying to take the focus from the fact that Australian batsmen were way below par. It was a wicket with absolutely no demons in it and held it's way even to the 5th day. I really expected the Aussies to come up with a decent 2nd innings score, seeing the way India scoring at above 5 per over.

Really, it's the Aussie batsmen than the bowlers who should cope the blame at Mohali.
 

howardj

International Coach
Tail or no tail, what we saw was quality reverse swing. The WWs were famous for exactly the same, polishing off them with reverse swing using the old ball. And I don't think Haddin (FC avg 40+), White (FC avg 40+) and Lee (Test avg 20+) qualify as exactly the tail.
I didn't say tail, I said lower order.

In any case, our bluechip players (the ones not mentioned above) haven't fallen under the spell of reverse swing at all. I think they're making too big of a deal of their dismissals - trying to make it out that they're being dismissed by some wizardry, when in reality it's just down to convential but very good bowling (something which you should expect at the top level).
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Roebuck is very flavour of the month type of writer. Don't think he's particularly biased towards or against many people tbh.
Roebuck is quite the hypocrite for mine, rubbishing players one article, only to glorify them got much the same thing in the next.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Roebuck is quite the hypocrite for mine, rubbishing players one article, only to glorify them got much the same thing in the next.
Yep, he'll just say whatever will get the most reaction at the time. Has a lovely writing style but the substance on offer is diminishing by the article for mine.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
One his most extreme cases was Ponting, tried to tear him a new one after Sydney, yet has written a few articles lavishing him with praise sense, only to turn his back on him again. Was also giving him no end of praise in the first test on the radio.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Absolutely can not stand Roebuck, let him knew exactly what I thought with my Dad.

Will type sensationalist crap and people will continue to read it. That's his job done.
 
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duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Absolutely can not stand Roebuck, at let him knew exactly what I thought with my Dad.

Will type sensationalist crap and people will continue to read it. That's his job done.
I'd love to have a go at him too but think he gets off on the hate. Will only encourage him.

Still think he's far better than Conn though. Conn is diabolical.
 

ret

International Debutant
'I'm raring to go at the Kotla' - Kumble

Anil Kumble, India's Test captain, is confident of returning for the third Test against Australia in Delhi after sitting out the second game in Mohali due to a shoulder injury. Kumble said it was unfortunate he could not be part of the combination which achieved India's biggest Test win in terms of runs - 320 - and that he was looking forward to returning to the Feroz Shah Kotla where he has taken 55 wickets in six games.
* cough cough B'lore*

Kumble needs to understand that India did well probably because he was not there .... Mishra set the game up with the 5-for, which if Kumble had played would probably not been possible on that Mohali pitch .... and India would also have missed Dhoni's captaincy
 

pasag

RTDAS
Roebuck is very flavour of the month type of writer. Don't think he's particularly biased towards or against many people tbh.
Hate his writing style, each article basically consists of 75 metaphores and similes chosen by a pool of manatees.

Anyways, my biggest concern for the rest of the series and perhaps the next year is Australia's inability to play quality rearguard innings and batting out a day to save a Test. Since they haven't been in this situation often, it seems like they have no idea what it takes. Contrast that to India in the first Test.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
'I'm raring to go at the Kotla' - Kumble



* cough cough B'lore*

Kumble needs to understand that India did well probably because he was not there .... Mishra set the game up with the 5-for, which if Kumble had played would probably not been possible on that Mohali pitch .... and India would also have missed Dhoni's captaincy
You'd better sit down...I think I'm about to agree with you :laugh:

Mishra certainly did a great job in this test and I doubt Kumble would have done any better if he was in the team. I only got to watch the highlights of Zed, Ishant etc bowling in the Australian second innings but they bowled some fantastic deliveries to dismiss some of our guys. Being a bowler myself I tend to enjoy watching good bowling regardless of who it is (although obviously if it could be Australia that'd be nice), and India have done a great job with the ball. As well as being not too dusty with the bat either.
 

pup11

International Coach
Tait would join Test squad if asked

As much as i would love to see him back in the Australian side, but i don't think now is the right time for it, he has made a pretty strong comeback in domestic cricket, but he should now look to build on that rather than thinking about diving back into the exteme pressure of playing test cricket and that too in India, he should just concentrate on making sure he stays fit and plays well throughout this full season for the Redbacks.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Tait would join Test squad if asked

As much as i would love to see him back in the Australian side, but i don't think now is the right time for it, he has made a pretty strong comeback in domestic cricket, but he should now look to build on that rather than thinking about diving back into the exteme pressure of playing test cricket and that too in India, he should just concentrate on making sure he stays fit and plays well throughout this full season for the Redbacks.
I would also join the Test squad if asked, tbf.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
You'd better sit down...I think I'm about to agree with you :laugh:

Mishra certainly did a great job in this test and I doubt Kumble would have done any better if he was in the team. I only got to watch the highlights of Zed, Ishant etc bowling in the Australian second innings but they bowled some fantastic deliveries to dismiss some of our guys. Being a bowler myself I tend to enjoy watching good bowling regardless of who it is (although obviously if it could be Australia that'd be nice), and India have done a great job with the ball. As well as being not too dusty with the bat either.
Of corse Mishra bowled beautifully on debut but It is also true that Kotla is by far Kumble best ground. He has over 9 wickets per Test over 6 Test matches there with the lowest being seven in a Test ! He also got his ten in an innings there. So nothing amiss in his saying that he was 'raring to go at the Kotla"

I would be saying that if I had taken 55 wickets at 15.41 in just six Test !
 
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pup11

International Coach
Hate his writing style, each article basically consists of 75 metaphores and similes chosen by a pool of manatees.

Anyways, my biggest concern for the rest of the series and perhaps the next year is Australia's inability to play quality rearguard innings and batting out a day to save a Test. Since they haven't been in this situation often, it seems like they have no idea what it takes. Contrast that to India in the first Test.
I won't call it inability as such, its just that they haven't found themselves in a situation too many times where they have had to bat out time to save test matches, i think in the 2nd test poor tactics were really what cost Australia the game, Australia could have drawn this game if the top-order didn't bat like a bunch of idiots, mind you i am not taking away any credit from the Indian bowlers, because they were excellent imo on a pretty placid track, but still i was shocked when i heard Tim Nielsen say that they were going after the target as they felt batting out four and half sessions with just the thoughts of blocking and playing for a draw wouldn't have helped them last that long, which was ridiculous ploy imo.
 
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