***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh

[Prince EWS]

Also, I reckon the Bangladeshi's should cop a fine for over appealing, it was absolutely shocking today. They were appealing for LBW's that wouldnt even have hit another set of stumps and for caught behinds the batsmen missed by 6 inches. Really poor sportsmanship, if nothing else.

I'd appeal for everything if Ashoka was umpiring as well. Every chance of getting the decision whether it's out or not.

 

[Polo23]

I don't really agree with that, I think they were just a bit excited. They showed some great sportsmanship today - at least 3 players went and congratulated Vettori after he got out.

And I don't agree with that. Their overappealing pretty much threw any credibility of sportsmanship they had out the window.

The rules state, if you appeal when you know the batsman is not out, you are cheating. Now, I have no problem with someone appealing when they think "hey, thats probably not out, but its closeish so ill give it a shout" but when a team appeals whenever the ball hits the pad, no matter how far the ball is going down leg, or whenever a batsman plays and misses, no matter how much he missed the ball by, I have a problem.

No team should be allowed to put that much pressure on an umpire, it is cheating and very unsportsmanlike.

 

[_Ed_]

Fair enough. I just think it's a bit harsh to criticise them for it considering the circumstances, especially since they missed out on a wicket in the ODI series when they didn't appeal.

 

[NZTailender]

And I don't agree with that. Their overappealing pretty much threw any credibility of sportsmanship they had out the window.

The rules state, if you appeal when you know the batsman is not out, you are cheating. Now, I have no problem with someone appealing when they think "hey, thats probably not out, but its closeish so ill give it a shout" but when a team appeals whenever the ball hits the pad, no matter how far the ball is going down leg, or whenever a batsman plays and misses, no matter how much he missed the ball by, I have a problem.

No team should be allowed to put that much pressure on an umpire, it is cheating and very unsportsmanlike.

Unsportsmanlike? Possibly. Cheating? No IMO.

Bangladesh aren't the first and will not be the last team who over-appeal when they're in a position to win like they were today.


It wasn't unsporting, it was desperation.

 

[Polo23]

Unsportsmanlike? Possibly. Cheating? No IMO.

Bangladesh aren't the first and will not be the last team who over-appeal when they're in a position to win like they were today.


It wasn't unsporting, it was desperation.

Well, your opinion directly contradicts the rule book. So..simply, you are wrong.

I don't think i've ever seen any team appeal like they did today. A lot of their appeals didn't just border on ridiculous, they completely crossed the line into the next realm of crazy.

 

[GGG]

Agreed, the bowling wasn't a major issue. I imagine Southee will play in the tour game versus (IIRC) NSW in Australia, and should decide from there whether he'll play or not.

Don't see too much point in bringing him in for the second test, especially since no one in the current attack deserves to be dropped (except maybe Oram )

Err Mill's 101/1

 

[Prince EWS]

Err Mill's 101/1

There's a vast, vast difference between "deserves to be dropped" and "wasn't effective in the first Test".

 

[S.P. Fleming]

stop having a go at Oram. His place in the team is very secure and I actually believe he holds our team together. No, he is not the greatest wicket taker but he does his job of containing very well. I believe that he is a great factor is Vettori's success over the last few years as he builds so much pressure. His batting is not an issue he is one of the best lower order batsmen going around.

In fact, I dont think we would be near the same team without our great soccer goalkeeper (smithy)

 

[Polo23]

Who's having a go at Oram?

Oram is the best middle order batsman in New Zealand.

 

[GGG]

Who's having a go at Oram?

Oram is the best middle order batsman in New Zealand.

Yes he is, he was averaging above 40 IIRC before he had a bad run.

 

[_Ed_]

There's a vast, vast difference between "deserves to be dropped" and "wasn't effective in the first Test".

And even saying Mills wasn't effective is a bit harsh. If dropped catches had been held and the plumb LBW given he'd have had four, and the only time he really conceded runs was on the fourth morning.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Well played to New Zealand (and Bangladesh too).

Daniel Vettori is Atlas. What a performance!

 

[NZTailender]

Well, your opinion directly contradicts the rule book. So..simply, you are wrong.

I don't think i've ever seen any team appeal like they did today. A lot of their appeals didn't just border on ridiculous, they completely crossed the line into the next realm of crazy.

I've seen just about every team do it at one point or another. NZ is not innocent of doing it either. I also think you're overreacting far too much as well. Talk about sore winners.

 

[NZTailender]

stop having a go at Oram. His place in the team is very secure and I actually believe he holds our team together. No, he is not the greatest wicket taker but he does his job of containing very well. I believe that he is a great factor is Vettori's success over the last few years as he builds so much pressure. His batting is not an issue he is one of the best lower order batsmen going around.

In fact, I dont think we would be near the same team without our great soccer goalkeeper (smithy)

Where is this containing myth coming from? Apart from against Bangladesh, most of our wickets in the past few years have come mainly from Martin, Franklin, Mills and Bond.
Vettori, while he's been good, hasn't been great and I think you're overstating the combination of them with the ball there.

And holds our team together? Vettori is the guy who does that.

Who's having a go at Oram?

Oram is the best middle order batsman in New Zealand.

Yes he is, he was averaging above 40 IIRC before he had a bad run.

Oram puts in a hundred now and then that boosts his average and then has a run of low scores and unconverted starts.

As for best middle order batsman in New Zealand? Are you high?

 

[NZTailender]

Err Mill's 101/1

Haha, so after one bad test he should be dropped?

In 2 years (from his recall until now) he's taken 37 wickets @ 24.48.

 

[Polo23]

I've seen just about every team do it at one point or another. NZ is not innocent of doing it either. I also think you're overreacting far too much as well. Talk about sore winners.

Again, I have no problem with a team appealing when they think it is most likely not out, but think it is close enough to give it a shout. The problem I have is that Bangladesh appealed when ANYTHING hit the pad, and whenever a batsman played and missed.

I have NEVER seen ANY team overappeal to that extent.

How am I overreacting? It is stated in the rule book as cheating, if a team cheats I think anyone has the right to point that out.

 

[Prince EWS]

Again, I have no problem with a team appealing when they think it is most likely not out, but think it is close enough to give it a shout. The problem I have is that Bangladesh appealed when ANYTHING hit the pad, and whenever a batsman played and missed.

I have NEVER seen ANY team overappeal to that extent.

How am I overreacting? It is stated in the rule book as cheating, if a team cheats I think anyone has the right to point that out.

Anything is close enough when Asoka is umpiring, though.

 

[Polo23]

Oram puts in a hundred now and then that boosts his average and then has a run of low scores and unconverted starts.

As for best middle order batsman in New Zealand? Are you high?

Are you high?!

Oram has been our most consistent middle order batsman for a while. Admittedly he was a bit inconsistent in the past 12-18 months, but it is the only time in his career when he has been.

Heres a few run of scores he has had in his career to date:

97, 3, 119*, 90, 34, 40, 67, 4, 39, 36*

38*, 126*, 8, 12, 40, 133

 

[Polo23]

Anything is close enough when Asoka is umpiring, though.

Of course...but it doesnt make their over appealing right. Does anyone else feel as though Asoka was blatantly biased towards the Bangladeshi's with his poor calls? I'm not saying he did it deliberately, but I wouldnt blame anyone if they made that accusation.

Especially after reading what has gone on in Sri Lankan domestic cricket with umpires.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Oram has been our most consistent middle order batsman for a while. Admittedly he was a bit inconsistent in the past 12-18 months.

Thats all I wanted to say.