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Next Test Nation???
- Thread starter laksh_01
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Thats the opening pair they should've had to start with. This Waters kid seems to be going ok.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
I was referring more to playing grade cricket/league cricket in places like South Africa. If you look at a lot of guys coming into the Ireland, Scotland, Holland and Canada sides a lot of them aren't much better then grade cricketers and played most of their competitive cricket at that level.
But it is the competitive nature of those leagues that make it easier for those guys to make the jump up to IC cricket. A lot of guys are raised in those countries and come up through the ranks and jump ship when there not good enough to go further. But there are Kenyans that have shown in the past there are changes to fo overseas if they give it a go. Reckon more will looks at those chances if it was encouraged more and players went dropped for playing overseas. They should be the first ones selected.
Having you own domestic league is great. But tbh the Kenyan league basically seems like a league for the sake of it. There not many teams and it doesn't go for that long. Basically in its current state it is glorified trail matches.
But it is the competitive nature of those leagues that make it easier for those guys to make the jump up to IC cricket. A lot of guys are raised in those countries and come up through the ranks and jump ship when there not good enough to go further. But there are Kenyans that have shown in the past there are changes to fo overseas if they give it a go. Reckon more will looks at those chances if it was encouraged more and players went dropped for playing overseas. They should be the first ones selected.
Having you own domestic league is great. But tbh the Kenyan league basically seems like a league for the sake of it. There not many teams and it doesn't go for that long. Basically in its current state it is glorified trail matches.
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Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
They are unlikely to find Grade/league cricket clubs to take them. Though just thinking about it, there is 1 area.
The top cricket Universities play in the top leagues. If there was a way to get Kenyans at South African universities then they would get a 3-4 year cricketing (as well as academic) eduation in the best teams, in the best leagues against mainly provincial and other FC cricketers.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, the first season of the Sahara Elite league looked very much so and I recon they should either increase the participation in it by inviting representative sides from Tanzania and Uganda (as they did in the Rugby equivalent from which I strongly suspect the idea was borrowed in the first place) or at least make it a home and away league lasting the length of the domestic season and focusing on the one format (prefarrably the FC one) so that when it comes to judging form and ability the selectors have a bigger database of matches to work with.
Maybe one weekend they play a 2 day FC over the entirety of the weekend which they do every two weeks, and in the weekend in the middle play a 50 over game. This way all matches take place on a weekend. Maybe having a t2o comp mid season.
I guess it all comes down to $$$$$.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Isn't the schooling system in SA very much tailored towards meeting quotas.
Unless they get a side in the Provincial league like Zimbabwe or Namibia. There only real chance in SA seems to be on the their own ability and if they are better cricketers then South Africans. But I guess as Taibu showed you have be a lot better to keep your spot.
Though I still think a lot of Kenya downfall has been instead of selecting guys like Modi, Aga, Mishra and Kenny Otieno whenever they can play. Even if they are overseas and miss training camps. There does seem to be a feeling around the Kenya players if they play overseas they are basicing killing their international career. It should be the other way and that what gets you selected.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
I agree fully with that, and I certainly hope that Kennedy Otieno and Collins Obuya are the first in a new generation of cricketers who recognise the importance of these opportunites in building worthwhile international careers
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
On a side note. The last school team I coached had 3 players (IIRC) selected for the Provincial junior team.
One of them was a quota pick, but he was from Kenya. Parents are Kenyan and he was born there but they moved to SA for his Dads job and are there long term.
There must be a lot of guys like this who move somewhere, will probably never be good enough to make a dent on the SA system or focus elsewhere (soccer was his prefered sport for example) and are lost.
Im sure there must be a way for Kenyan (Namibian etc) cricket to track these kids or at least send emails and letters for people to keep a watch.
It is an untapped resource.
One of them was a quota pick, but he was from Kenya. Parents are Kenyan and he was born there but they moved to SA for his Dads job and are there long term.
There must be a lot of guys like this who move somewhere, will probably never be good enough to make a dent on the SA system or focus elsewhere (soccer was his prefered sport for example) and are lost.
Im sure there must be a way for Kenyan (Namibian etc) cricket to track these kids or at least send emails and letters for people to keep a watch.
It is an untapped resource.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Lack of pro-active approach in finding talent. They basically have to come back to be considered with the current policy.
It is slightly easier for other countries to find these type of players as they tend to come back to play some off season cricket on Ireland, Holland, Scotland and Canada. As their are during the Aus/NZ/SA off season and most come for a holiday as well. But with Kenyan leagues during the same season in general most stay in overseas to play cricket.
It is slightly easier for other countries to find these type of players as they tend to come back to play some off season cricket on Ireland, Holland, Scotland and Canada. As their are during the Aus/NZ/SA off season and most come for a holiday as well. But with Kenyan leagues during the same season in general most stay in overseas to play cricket.
He's halfway there. Hopefully Tikolos current presence has a calming influence on him. Do you think he'll be selected for the ODI's in South Africa?
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Scotland ****ed up any chance of that happening again.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Other than Morris Ouma and Tikolo he's practically the only batsman scoring runs, so it seems he might well walk straight in. Which is Terrifying,
talented as the kid is
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Will he play for Kenya for sure, or is there a chance he would want to stay English qualified?Other than Morris Ouma and Tikolo he's practically the only batsman scoring runs, so it seems he might well walk straight in. Which is Terrifying,
True that.Other than Morris Ouma and Tikolo he's practically the only batsman scoring runs, so it seems he might well walk straight in. Which is Terrifying,
I was wandering that, but does playing this match he is playing now stop him for being eligible for England for a certain period? Was unsure as current match is only first class status. Regardless, Kenya needs someone with his talent.