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[masterblaster]

Looks like Smackdown! this week was pretty good. From what I can tell it looks like there were plenty of decent matches here....

Pleased that Jericho did not take the fall in the ME again, very important.

Triple H going over Matt Hardy and Chris Jericho is a disgrace, but no surprise. Glad that Jericho didn't take the fall, just hope that he doesn't look weak in the match itself.

 

[masterblaster]

Just read somewhere TNA incorporated Jeff Jarett's wife's death in to one of their storyline to give Kurt Angle heat and Jarett fans sympathy.

Really poor stuff.

I get tired of defending TNA when they pull crap like that. Not defending them today, that line in that segment was completely uncalled for. Jeff Jarrett should never have approved of something like that.

 

[sledger]

Triple H going over Matt Hardy and Chris Jericho is a disgrace, but no surprise. Glad that Jericho didn't take the fall, just hope that he doesn't look weak in the match itself.

Like you say, a shame, but this was always going to happen.

A better way for this match to end would have been for Kozlov to interfere midway and take HHH out of the equation and then Jericho get the win over Hardy imo.

But of course HHH would never allow that as Jericho winning a match that he was involved in would be totally against everything he stands for etc.. etc... blah blah.

Nice to see Matt Hardy appear in a genuine ME though, despite the defeat, as long as he gave a good showing then this can only be good for him.

 

[masterblaster]

Like you say, a shame, but this was always going to happen.

A better way for this match to end would have been for Kozlov to interfere midway and take HHH out of the equation and then Jericho get the win over Hardy imo.

But of course HHH would never allow that as Jericho winning a match that he was involved in would be totally against everything he stands for etc.. etc... blah blah.

Nice to see Matt Hardy appear in a genuine ME though, despite the defeat, as long as he gave a good showing then this can only be good for him.

To give WWE some credit, I guess Triple H was always going to win. Debuting Smackdown on a new network, ofcourse they are going to put over the champion of the brand. I guess it was good enough that they didn't put Triple H over Jericho's expense. Matt Hardy is another 'teflon' worker like RVD or The Rock. No matter how much Matt Hardy loses, he still has an incredible amount of popularity with the fans. As you said, I don't think losing to Triple H will do him any harm.

 

[sledger]

Hopefully Jericho got in a lot of offence on HHH, gotta doubt it somehow though.

 

[Kira]

Lol id hope so too, still gutting Matt didnt pull it out the bag would have been teh awesome even though it was never gonna happen

 

[Barney Rubble]

The real test of Hunter's pride will come when Edge returns. My bet is that that'll be this Sunday at No Mercy, so we'll finally get the fascinating scenario whereby Triple H (famed for taking other people's screen time at times when he doesn't deserve it), The Undertaker (famed for getting tons of screen time due to his five-hour entrance, and the fact that he's the most over face in the company), and Edge (getting loads of screen time this year due to the fact that he's pretty much the best in the business these days), are all on the same show for an extended period of time. It happened for about a month or two after the Draft, but then SummerSlam happened and Edge was out - plus, Triple H and Undertaker have been kept entirely apart during their time together on SmackDown so far. I'll be hugely interested to see how the main event scene materialises on SD from here on out.

 

[duffer]

The 6 man and 8 man tag matches both sound really good, the rest of the show sounds very generic WWE.

Big show not scared of the Undertaker; lights go out and he is scared of the Undertaker. Genius stuff.

Lol's when I read that Hunter won the champion of champions match. I know he didn't pin Jericho but he probably found a way to break out of the walls to compensate. Not exactly going to rush home to see this come Friday.

 

[sledger]

Finally got round to watching Foley's TNA debut, thought it was pretty dissapointing ITBT, just appearing on the screen like that.

 

[sledger]

The real test of Hunter's pride will come when Edge returns. My bet is that that'll be this Sunday at No Mercy, so we'll finally get the fascinating scenario whereby Triple H (famed for taking other people's screen time at times when he doesn't deserve it), The Undertaker (famed for getting tons of screen time due to his five-hour entrance, and the fact that he's the most over face in the company), and Edge (getting loads of screen time this year due to the fact that he's pretty much the best in the business these days), are all on the same show for an extended period of time. It happened for about a month or two after the Draft, but then SummerSlam happened and Edge was out - plus, Triple H and Undertaker have been kept entirely apart during their time together on SmackDown so far. I'll be hugely interested to see how the main event scene materialises on SD from here on out.

Yeah it will be very interesting to see how everything goes from here, hopefully the return of Edge won't mean that some of the younger talent who have been pushed quite well in his absence will now dissapear into the bakcground.

Also wasn't one of the reasons Edge jumped to SC from RAW because he didn't want to work a singles program with HHH?

 

[Barney Rubble]

Yeah it will be very interesting to see how everything goes from here, hopefully the return of Edge won't mean that some of the younger talent who have been pushed quite well in his absence will now dissapear into the bakcground.

Also wasn't one of the reasons Edge jumped to SC from RAW because he didn't want to work a singles program with HHH?

Yep. That worries me, but what fills me with hope is that my bet for what happens on Edge's return is that Edge screws Jeff out of the title so he can get a shot at Triple H while he's champion, as revenge for Triple H ruining his marriage with his (admittedly ridiculous) secret camera in the locker room. This way Edge gets back into the title hunt, but he and Hunter don't have to work together too closely as his real feud is with Jeff, while Hunter tries to hold off the attentions of Kozlov and Khali. That should kill time until Survivor Series, when Triple H takes on Undertaker for the title and Team Hardy takes on Team Edge.

Will there ever be a Survivor Series where Matt and Jeff aren't booked to team up? Admittedly, last year Matt was "injured", but still, they go for the pseudo-Hardys reunion every year.

I'd like to see the "team" structure made more of a big deal for Survivor Series TBH, with the main eventers going around recruiting people and lower-card guys trying to impress in order to get a spot on the card. As it is, they just take whoever's feuding at that point, and announce on dot-com that they're gonna be teaming up at Survivor Series. Lame, IMO.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Am I the only one who is starting to be a bit bored by Y2J? Find him a bit monotone and not a touch on what he used to be. Understand that it is his character and all that, but I'm not digging him as much as others.

 

[sledger]

Am I the only one who is starting to be a bit bored by Y2J? Find him a bit monotone and not a touch on what he used to be. Understand that it is his character and all that, but I'm not digging him as much as others.

Hmm, I would say you are in the minority there lol, at least as far as the wrestling fans on here go anyway. Jericho's new character (though it's not massively different from the old one imo) has taken him to an entirely new level of credibility. He is lightyears ahead of most others in the industry, both in the ring and on the mic. And with Cena out of the picture and Orton only playing a minor role at the moment, RAW is really being carried by Jericho.

 

[masterblaster]

Hmm, I would say you are in the minority there lol, at least as far as the wrestling fans on here go anyway. Jericho's new character (though it's not massively different from the old one imo) has taken him to an entirely new level of credibility. He is lightyears ahead of most others in the industry, both in the ring and on the mic. And with Cena out of the picture and Orton only playing a minor role at the moment, RAW is really being carried by Jericho.

Agreed. The way Jericho has reinvented himself is amazing. He was always known for his showmanship, his arrogance and his flamboyant, outlandish persona but to do a complete 180 and do so well with this new 'serious' and 'legitimate' character just speaks volumes of the man's talent. I think the work he has been doing as part of this new character is some of the best work he's ever done in his career.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Hmm, I would say you are in the minority there lol, at least as far as the wrestling fans on here go anyway. Jericho's new character (though it's not massively different from the old one imo) has taken him to an entirely new level of credibility. He is lightyears ahead of most others in the industry, both in the ring and on the mic. And with Cena out of the picture and Orton only playing a minor role at the moment, RAW is really being carried by Jericho.

Agreed. The way Jericho has reinvented himself is amazing. He was always known for his showmanship, his arrogance and his flamboyant, outlandish persona but to do a complete 180 and do so well with this new 'serious' and 'legitimate' character just speaks volumes of the man's talent. I think the work he has been doing as part of this new character is some of the best work he's ever done in his career.

Seconded on both counts. For pretty much the first time ever, we can say with genuine conviction that RAW is Jericho. It's ironic that as soon as he drops that catchphrase, it becomes true.

I can't wait for the return of Cena if Jericho is still champ by then. I know the company are pushing Cena vs Batista II or III for WrestleMania XXV with the title on the line, but who'd want to derail Jericho's momentum as it is now? Difficult decisions and tricky booking choices ahead, IMO. They'll probably stick to the plan, though. If I were them, this is what I'd go with for WMXXV out of the matches that we can be sure are gonna be on the card:

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Batista (c) vs John Cena - goes without saying, really. We can dream about this not happening, but it's going to, and it'll be good - their SummerSlam encounter surprised a lot of people.

Two Out Of Three Falls Match for the WWE Championship
Triple H (c) vs Jeff Hardy - if Jeff can prove himself in time, I think he'll be rewarded. He's always one of the most over guys in the company and him getting a title shot at WrestleMania would get a lot of buys.

Street Fight
CM Punk vs Randy Orton - hope they drag this feud out, Orton will need to be on the WM card and I'm not convinced there's many options for his opponent.

The Undertaker vs Chris Jericho - think about it. Undertaker will need an opponent who doesn't have the same injury problems he does. Jericho will be way over and people will speculate about him ending the streak, but when he doesn't everyone will be happy anyway because it'll be an awesome match. Could be a decent bet, especially if they decide not to pull the trigger on HBK vs Undertaker because of Shawn's physical condition.

ECW Championship
Rey Mysterio (c) vs Evan Bourne - this one came out of nowhere in my head, but think about it - RAW/ECW Talent Exchange going on, Rey has ECW history and not much to do on RAW, there aren't many good heels on ECW anyway - a face vs face high-flying cruiserweight encounter between these two would be gold. Could lead to a Bourne heel turn as well. Or they could have the two of them challenge Priceless for the Tag Titles, but that'd be less interesting.

Edge vs Hulk Hogan - rumours abound that Hogan is training to get in the ring again, and if it's not for Eric Bischoff's ridiculous rumoured match against Goldberg, then it'll be in preparation for one big final payday at WMXXV. Edge is as good a candidate as any, the two have history and he'll be able to carry the match, plus he's obviously way over, and probably won't have much to do with the title scene while Triple H is around, and while he needs to be kept away from Undertaker.

 

[sledger]

The Undertaker vs Chris Jericho

Think this is a very strong possibility indeed. As far as I know these two have never faced each other at a PPV. Plus there isn't exactly a long list of alternative opponents for either guy. Undertaker vs HHH looks extremely unlikely, and can't say I mind this tbh, thought it would be a huge draw it's not a match that I would particularly care to see again unless they could really make an interesting storyline out of it. Also am hoping that Jericho and HHH never have another feud again as well, the last one was so painfully poor.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Think this is a very strong possibility indeed. As far as I know these two have never faced each other at a PPV. Plus there isn't exactly a long list of alternative opponents for either guy. Undertaker vs HHH looks extremely unlikely, and can't say I mind this tbh, thought it would be a huge draw it's not a match that I would particularly care to see again unless they could really make an interesting storyline out of it. Also am hoping that Jericho and HHH never have another feud again as well, the last one was so painfully poor.

I think you're right, incredibly. I thought for sure it must have happened in 2002 or so, but apparently not. Really pulling for this actually, think it would be better than the proposed HBK vs 'Taker match, purely because Jericho can still go at full pace, unlike either of the other two. Of course, this begs the question of what to do with HBK, so we're still in a quandary. Hmm.

 

[sledger]

I think it really boils down to how many more years Taker and HBK have left in them between them. IMO a match between them simply HAS to happen at WM before they both retire. It would be a huge draw, the fans would be way into it, would certainly be one of the most over angles in recent years no matter what. Would be a genuine mark out moment.

But then again if that were to happen this year...then there would be nothing much for Jericho to do...unless of course he ended up facing Cena...but then it's pretty much already penned in for Cena to face Batista so that's pretty much out of the question...

 

[duffer]

I think it really boils down to how many more years Taker and HBK have left in them between them. IMO a match between them simply HAS to happen at WM before they both retire. It would be a huge draw, the fans would be way into it, would certainly be one of the most over angles in recent years no matter what. Would be a genuine mark out moment.

But then again if that were to happen this year...then there would be nothing much for Jericho to do...unless of course he ended up facing Cena...but then it's pretty much already penned in for Cena to face Batista so that's pretty much out of the question...

Would absolutely love Jericho v Cena. Would freaking love it. But then again you're right, Cena shoudln't job clean to a guy whom he carried carried all the way through their feud without the rider of a future big money payoff. For that reason alone I wouldn't mind the feud continuing when John returns.

With the next Mania in Texas I doubt HBK will be willing to do the job in his home state at the biggest show of his career. And since no-one will/should ever go over Taker at a Mania, I reckon that is a non starter.

And yes, I do realise they are both Texans but I can't see Shawn ever doing the job there at a Mania.

 

[duffer]

Am I the only one who is starting to be a bit bored by Y2J? Find him a bit monotone and not a touch on what he used to be. Understand that it is his character and all that, but I'm not digging him as much as others.

It's the Cena effect for mine. As much as wrestling fans bitched about him being in the spotlight all the time you take him out of it and the gap in quality thereafter if enormous. And this from a huge huge Jericho fan who is absolutely loving his work right now.

Speaking of Cena, he's meant to be in town(Melbourne) for the Nickelodean awards next week. Apparently he'll be doing quite a few promotional events in the City. Might take my nephew down and see if I can catch the big guy while he's here.