Symonds sent home

[pup11]

There's a possibility that Andrew took Clarke for granted. Also Bangladesh for granted.

Having said that, i think he's got his punishment. To prevent him from touring India is taking it a bit far in my opinion.

Agree with you on this.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yeah but look at his solution; ban them. Advocating preventing both players from playing cricket for a couple of matches I find a bit 'old man yells at cloud'. If both cases have shown anything, it's that punitive actions by themselves have done nothing to curb their behaviour.

Yeah, fair enough. The trouble is though that whatever chastisement is meted out (&, realistically, fines & bans are the only two options available, unless the ICC is running a "don't be a ****sure tool" course) merely treats the symptoms rather than the cause.

However, if a player's behaviour becomes unacceptable to his teammates (which seems the crux of Haigh's gist) some action is better than none, surely? From what I gather this latest incident seems to be a culmination of similar scrapes so there may even be a element of name-and-shame about it. Although frankly Symonds doesn't seem an overly thin-skinned soul.

 

[social]

Using a fake/outdated/stupid Internet rumour/chain e-mail doesn't help put Symonds' behaviour into perspective or help your credibility.

2006 and the stats are accurate because an expose was held into the performance of our "leaders"

I couldnt be bothered to check the link but anyone who is familiar with Australian cricket would agree a different set of "standards" has been applied to Symonds than the normal person

IMO, the only thing that matters are his performances (why else would a selector, Jamie Cox confirm same if it wasn't true) and to have his mental health called into question is absolutely disgraceful

I dont particularly like Symonds but I'm incredibly sick of the do-gooders who claim that behaviour has deteriorated lately - bs

If Symonds is unfit, then Ponting, Hayden, most of the Indian team , Pak and SA are gone as well.

What's more, the majority of Oz and WI teams from 74 - 90 would never have taken the field

Basically, it's all crap

 

[Sanz]

I couldnt be bothered to check the link

You dont need to, that perhaps was your source.

 

[social]

You dont need to, that perhaps was your source.

Thanks George

 

[Sanz]

Thanks George

You are welcome Khalifa Howard.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Rumour is that he had a verbal clash with his Captain after the message to go home was delivered to him.

That's kind of understandable though, he would have been a little upset. I'd be surprised if anyone simply nodded their head and went 'ok then'.

 

[pup11]

That's kind of understandable though, he would have been a little upset. I'd be surprised if anyone simply nodded their head and went 'ok then'.

AWTA, and especially when that someone is Symonds.

 

[Dasa]

2006 and the stats are accurate because an expose was held into the performance of our "leaders"

NO the stats clearly aren't accurate - they're made up! Ffs, even the mention of 535 members of the Australian Parliament should throw up a red flag - there aren't anywhere close to 535 members of the Australian Parliament, that's the United States Congress (435 in the House of Reps and 100 Senators).

 

[honestbharani]

He applied the reasonable person test in asking whether said reasonable person would be offended in the situation in question and he included the possibility that the word monkey was used. A white reasonable person would likely react very differently to a black reasonable person and I don't think his judgement reflects that at all, nor the standards of the community at large.

I don't think u got it,mate..


Hansen is talking about the breaking of the agreement here, not the M word as such.


Lets say two parties have a deal and party A breaks it first. If A were a reasonable person, he would NOT expect B to keep up his end of the deal after this..


Harby and Symonds had a deal. Symonds said "No M word" and Harby said "No personal abuses".. Clearly, Symonds broke the agreement first by abusing Harbhajan for absolutely no reason.. So Harby got back with the M word (all hypothesis, of course.. this is the scenario Hansen would have considered, not saying it did happen).. So Hansen said, a reasonable person in Symonds' situation would not have complained...

 

[honestbharani]

NO the stats clearly aren't accurate - they're made up! Ffs, even the mention of 535 members of the Australian Parliament should throw up a red flag - there aren't anywhere close to 535 members of the Australian Parliament, that's the United States Congress (435 in the House of Reps and 100 Senators).

that sounds ridiculously close to one of the emails circulating about the Indian parliament though.. We do have 543 members in our lower house..

 

[pasag]

Yeah I've got that email before as well, it's rubbish of course.

 

[howardj]

More Dirt

 

[four_or_six]

More Dirt

Reserving seats in the for the test players only? That's got to be a joke, right?

 

[pup11]

More Dirt

Seriously when is this sort of bull**** gonna stop.

 

[four_or_six]

Seriously when is this sort of bull**** gonna stop.

I get the impression he's made a few enemies on the way up.

You know the quote... "Be nice to people on the way up, because you meet the same people on your way back down."

 

[pup11]

I get the impression he's made a few enemies on the way up.

You know the quote... "Be nice to people on the way up, because you meet the same people on your way back down."

I think there are some personalities who are a bit a complex, and Symonds seems to be one of them, for a public figure and that too an international cricketer he is hardly politically correct or diplomatic in his conduct, and he can possibly piss some people off due to that sort of a behaviour, and when now the guy is down these people are having a whale of a time in bashing him.

 

[SJS]

I think there are some personalities who are a bit a complex, and Symonds seems to be one of them, for a public figure and that too an international cricketer he is hardly politically correct or diplomatic in his conduct, and he can possibly piss some people off due to that sort of a behaviour, and when now the guy is down these people are having a whale of a time in bashing him.

He isn't just down he is showing no signs of being contrite. When you are disciplined not once, not twice but repeatedly, one needs a bit of clarity of thinking (or good advise that one needs to take) to see what is the way to behave for the future.

Yes, there are some who cant think clearly, who wont take the good advise they are given, who will listen only to those who say." you poor fellow. How unjust the world has ben to you?" Yes there are people like that and yes its possible that Symonds may be one of those, if so, he has to bear the consequences.

Its as simple as that.

 

[honestbharani]

I am not sure I understand what everyone is getting angry about here, though.


We all know that most of the guys in the media are just fair-weather friends for the players, as far sports are concerned. If you are doing well, everyone is jumping in with stories about your greatness, both personally and outside. And when you are not doing well, either in the sport or personally, they again jump in with stories like this.


And for all we know, quite a lot of it may well be true.. He certainly doesn't strike me as a nice guy at all.. Him talking quite needlessly about how the Indians' celebrating their T20 WC triumph etc.. Sorry.. got no real sympathy for the guy.. He got wildly celebrated by most of these people when he was doing good, so when he does something bad... The pendulum is supposed to swing that long in the other direction too......

 

[social]

Seriously when is this sort of bull**** gonna stop.

God what a crock!

First Symonds is sacked for indiscipline, now he was a "Rule Nazi"

As for the rest, how about we put another slant on the story .....

Journo tries to talk his way into private players function so he can take advantage of free booze and cosy up to the players

Symonds, who hates most journos anyway, gets him evicted on basis that function is for players only

Suitably humiliated journo then manipulates the facts and rehashes story at a time when Symonds bashing is a popular sport

Gee, I wonder which version is more believable

Bottom line is that there have been personality clashes, Symonds lost and now the entire Australian cricketing comunity is either sticking the boot in or covering themselves (if I hear any other joker say that Symonds own welfare is the paramount concern, I'll barf)