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Symonds sent home

pup11

International Coach
Indeed. The amount of crap Bhajji got for slap-gate was just ridiculous mainly because Sreesanth probably got away with saying stuff that would get his nose broken everytime.

At least he took the punishment as a man and accepted his fault unlike some others and Symonds apologists. Here is another gem in the Aussie Press :-

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/...shing-over-work/2008/09/03/1220121332421.html

The real reason Symonds chose fishing over work Alex Brown
September 4, 2008


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THE seeds of Andrew Symonds's discontent were sown long before the Northern Territory fishing expedition. To understand the turbulent mindset of the all-rounder, venture back to January, to South Australia, to the furore that threatened to split the cricketing world.
To this day, Symonds has not forgiven Cricket Australia for what transpired in an Adelaide federal courtroom eight months ago. It was there that Symonds and three teammates were convinced by CA to downgrade a charge of racial abuse against Harbhajan Singh to one of mere verbal abuse - a ploy the Australian players were advised would help ensure a lengthy suspension after the Monkeygate scandal, but one which eventually resulted in Harbhajan escaping sanction altogether.
Harbahjan's reprieve infuriated Symonds, who felt abandoned by administrators he felt were more interested in kow-towing to the influential Indian board than protecting their own. Sources within the Australian team say Symonds has refused all of CA's subsequent attempts to appease him, and the lingering resentment has fuelled his deteriorating attitude to work.
Those close to the 33-year-old do not believe he will retire, but there is grave concern over the mindset in which he will return. Some fear that a bullish, unrepentant Symonds could erode harmony during this period of team transition, where the ever-dwindling list of senior players are being relied upon to set the standard for a new generation of Australian cricketers. Others are worried that Symonds's relationship with Michael Clarke - his friend and Australia's captain elect - could prove irreparable should the Queenslander place the blame for his embarrassing expulsion solely at Clarke's feet.
Ripples of discontent at Symonds's wavering commitment have surfaced on occasion this year, but it was not until Darwin that the issue came to a head. Australian players and officials were alarmed when Symonds arranged to have his fishing boat trucked from Queensland to Darwin before the three-match one-day series against Bangladesh. Hardly the sign of a man focused.
It was against Bangladesh that Symonds endured his most infamous fall from grace when, after a late night drinking session in Cardiff, the limited-overs veteran reported for a game in an inebriated state. The public shaming that ensued prompted Symonds to reassess his attitude towards cricket and, after several months, he returned with a vengeance.
Symonds retained that focus and drive through his Test recall in 2006, and the torrid World Cup and Indian one-day campaigns the following year. But since the Harbhajan hearing in Adelaide, teammates believe Symonds - emotional, stubborn and a bearer of grudges - has lacked much of the competitive edge that propelled him from Test periphery to international superstar. The disproportionate pay cheques offered by the Indian Premier League have supposedly fuelled the fires of discontent further with CA, who are not in a position to match the $1.4 million contract he signed with the Deccan Chargers.
Symonds has made no secret of his distaste for his ever-burgeoning celebrity status: another factor that has gnawed at his passion for the game. In a recent interview with the Herald, he spoke of a "traperazzi" scam during the 2007 World Cup, in which a man slapped him outside a nightclub while a hidden photographer waited to capture the ensuing outburst.
"Sport is not necessarily just sport any more," he said. "People like to know what sportsmen are doing when they're not playing sport. People want to know what goes on behind the man, I suppose, which to me, I think, is probably slightly rude."
The majority of the Australian squad have sent Symonds messages of support since his forced return to Queensland, and those who have received replies have been heartened by his apparent determination to return to international cricket.
Can't Symonds sue these ****s for defamation, i mean there is a limit to everything, but these ****ing journos are leaving no stone unturned to make sure Symonds ends up looking the worst bloke to ever take a cricket bat in his hand.
 

howardj

International Coach
WTF? Seriously from the looks of it you seem to be trying to defend Symonds, but all you are managing to do is sound ridiculous, FFS Symonds is no lollipop sucking baby, he is all of 33 and for the love of god if he needs somebody to tell him what's good and what's bad for him now and treat him with kid gloves, then he has no business being near a professional side like Australia, if Symonds was treading on thin ice, he himself should have been careful about what he is doing and what would be its consequences.
Too right Pup.
 

pup11

International Coach
Check my posts, I've always said that Warne should've got life after testing positive for drugs - he's an embarrassment to Australia and fair play

Get those blinkers off buddy

As for Symonds, get real!

The guy might be an absolute prat, immature and irresponsible but if we were all penalised for those offences, the world would be a pretty boring place
Ok, Warne was a disgrace and Symonds is the most graceful bloke to wear a Baggy green, right?:wacko:
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Never said he wasn't a jerk. Just saying he seems to be gathering a disproportionate amount of attention for being a jerk than the other jerks he plays with and past jerks, none of whom are any worse a jerk than he is and penis.

Sure journo's can write what they want. They just shouldn't then get all uppity about being booted from the inner-sanctum.
TBH, though T_C, isn't it something to be expected these days? When you are doing well and are being praised for being a "top bloke", journos from everywhere appear with all sorts of different stories showing exactly why you are such a great person...


And when you are down and your character is being questioned, the same journos are digging up stories from everywhere to show why you are such a "jerk"...


I know it is not right but it is the way it is with the media everywhere these days....
 

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TBH, though T_C, isn't it something to be expected these days? When you are doing well and are being praised for being a "top bloke", journos from everywhere appear with all sorts of different stories showing exactly why you are such a great person...

And when you are down and your character is being questioned, the same journos are digging up stories from everywhere to show why you are such a "jerk"...
That's the part I dispute; there's no way Symonds is the first or worst jerk to play for Australia but I have little doubt he's been taken-to like no other. As I said, can't remember any bloke being hit as hard. All this guff about Aussies being in your corner if you're a jerk but performing well has fallen apart (he's been the Aussies' 2nd best batsman this past year and best of those who've played every Test) and a large part of why public sentiment has turned against Symonds is how he's been portrayed in the media, I reckon.

The articles have been atrocious, defamatory even and quite amateurishly-written. Real hysterical tabloid stuff with high-school sophistication, the one by Alex Brown a bit of an exception. They're in a rush to jump all over him and, justified by his actions/words or not, I wonder why they haven't been quite as eager to stick the boot in others who have behaved at least as poorly as Symonds in the past. It's an indictment on these clowns that even blokes like Roebuck, Mike Coward or Craddock haven't gone after Symonds; it's too low-brow even for them and, as a former player at a high level (which none of them are) who had a dificult reputation himself, Roebuck would surely have a more significant insight into the situation.

Yet, not a peep from him. Why? It's gutter journalism and he would be smart enough to know Conn, Dorries, Pierik, etc. will burn a lot of bridges with both the team and their members.
 
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social

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Finally, a realistic and non-politically motivated take on the issue (and it had to come from Dean Jones of all people)

Jones, speaking on Radio 2GB, wanted to know what the big deal was about Symonds' behaviour. "Jeff Thomson and Dennis Lillee did some awful things in their time," Jones said. "And it's not as if he's hit anyone or racially abused anyone.

"All he has done is miss a team meeting. For God's sake. We send him home and then throw him to the dogs. I think it's disgraceful.''
 

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Finally, a realistic and non-politically motivated take on the issue (and it had to come from Dean Jones of all people)

Jones, speaking on Radio 2GB, wanted to know what the big deal was about Symonds' behaviour. "Jeff Thomson and Dennis Lillee did some awful things in their time," Jones said. "And it's not as if he's hit anyone or racially abused anyone.

"All he has done is miss a team meeting. For God's sake. We send him home and then throw him to the dogs. I think it's disgraceful.''
Yeh, the irony.
 

social

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WTF? Seriously from the looks of it you seem to be trying to defend Symonds, but all you are managing to do is sound ridiculous, FFS Symonds is no lollipop sucking baby, he is all of 33 and for the love of god if he needs somebody to tell him what's good and what's bad for him now and treat him with kid gloves, then he has no business being near a professional side like Australia, if Symonds was treading on thin ice, he himself should have been careful about what he is doing and what would be its consequences.
Let's use an extreme example so dont think I'm comparing the talents of the two

George Best is on tour with the Irish Football team

Same scenario - he misses a meeting because he's out chasing skirt or getting pissed at an event that he received permission to attend

Should management be held accountable in any way for his failure to show up?

In my view they should be because it didnt matter whether Georgie Boy was 13, 33 or 63, the chances are that he wasnt going to front on his own accord and if the meeting was so vital to the Irish beating the football version of Bangladesh, the management should've actually got off their arse and done something.

Same with the Symonds case, if the meeting was soooooooooooooooo vital to Australia's chances of beating Bangladesh and to his future, then management should have made every effort to ensure that he was in attendance

Apparently they didnt and we are where we are
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
That's the part I dispute; there's no way Symonds is the first or worst jerk to play for Australia but I have little doubt he's been taken-to like no other. As I said, can't remember any bloke being hit as hard. All this guff about Aussies being in your corner if you're a jerk but performing well has fallen apart (he's been the Aussies' 2nd best batsman this past year and best of those who've played every Test) and a large part of why public sentiment has turned against Symonds is how he's been portrayed in the media, I reckon.

The articles have been atrocious, defamatory even and quite amateurishly-written. Real hysterical tabloid stuff with high-school sophistication, the one by Alex Brown a bit of an exception. They're in a rush to jump all over him and, justified by his actions/words or not, I wonder why they haven't been quite as eager to stick the boot in others who have behaved at least as poorly as Symonds in the past. It's an indictment on these clowns that even blokes like Roebuck, Mike Coward or Craddock haven't gone after Symonds; it's too low-brow even for them and, as a former player at a high level (which none of them are) who had a dificult reputation himself, Roebuck would surely have a more significant insight into the situation.

Yet, not a peep from him. Why? It's gutter journalism and he would be smart enough to know Conn, Dorries, Pierik, etc. will burn a lot of bridges with both the team and their members.
tbh.. I never had much respect for even Roebuck and Conn, was among the worst I have read.



Seriously, some of these Aussie journos make some Indian ones look like God.. And we all know how bad the Indian media is too.
 

pasag

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That's the part I dispute; there's no way Symonds is the first or worst jerk to play for Australia but I have little doubt he's been taken-to like no other. As I said, can't remember any bloke being hit as hard. All this guff about Aussies being in your corner if you're a jerk but performing well has fallen apart (he's been the Aussies' 2nd best batsman this past year and best of those who've played every Test) and a large part of why public sentiment has turned against Symonds is how he's been portrayed in the media, I reckon.

The articles have been atrocious, defamatory even and quite amateurishly-written. Real hysterical tabloid stuff with high-school sophistication, the one by Alex Brown a bit of an exception. They're in a rush to jump all over him and, justified by his actions/words or not, I wonder why they haven't been quite as eager to stick the boot in others who have behaved at least as poorly as Symonds in the past. It's an indictment on these clowns that even blokes like Roebuck, Mike Coward or Craddock haven't gone after Symonds; it's too low-brow even for them and, as a former player at a high level (which none of them are) who had a dificult reputation himself, Roebuck would surely have a more significant insight into the situation.

Yet, not a peep from him. Why? It's gutter journalism and he would be smart enough to know Conn, Dorries, Pierik, etc. will burn a lot of bridges with both the team and their members.
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Precambrian

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tbh.. I never had much respect for even Roebuck and Conn, was among the worst I have read.



Seriously, some of these Aussie journos make some Indian ones look like God.. And we all know how bad the Indian media is too.
Conn is gutter stuff. Absolute crap of the crap. The way he carried out character-demolition job of Bhajji even after it was conclusively proven that he did'nt utter the racial abuse, was proof of that.

I regard Roebuck as bit respectable, though his penchant for Ganguly bashing is quite well known.
 

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Conn is gutter stuff. Absolute crap of the crap. The way he carried out character-demolition job of Bhajji even after it was conclusively proven that he did'nt utter the racial abuse, was proof of that.

I regard Roebuck as bit respectable, though his penchant for Ganguly bashing is quite well known.
Please let's not go there...
 

pup11

International Coach
Let's use an extreme example so dont think I'm comparing the talents of the two

George Best is on tour with the Irish Football team

Same scenario - he misses a meeting because he's out chasing skirt or getting pissed at an event that he received permission to attend

Should management be held accountable in any way for his failure to show up?

In my view they should be because it didnt matter whether Georgie Boy was 13, 33 or 63, the chances are that he wasnt going to front on his own accord and if the meeting was so vital to the Irish beating the football version of Bangladesh, the management should've actually got off their arse and done something.
Look mate the managers can't run behind him like nannies or try to discipline him, he would have to do it for himself, if he wants to go fishing they can't cage him, he is not there slave, and for that we all know they might have advised Symonds not to go, but he could have still been stupid enough to go.
 

Burgey

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Well all that looses its sheen when he decided to call an international cricketer a terrorist, just because he had a beard.
Not necessarily it doesn't. In fact, if Jones knows he's (Jones) acted like a douche in the past and understands what Symonds' might be going through when everyone's all over him like clalmine lotion, his opinion may well be pretty informed.
 

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