Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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Funny you say this actually, I think that once Cryme Tyme have run their course (which hopefully won't be for a while yet, they're great), Shad Gaspard will be in for a strong singles push. Not a huge one, but I've thought for a while that with decent mic skills and an imposing physique, Shad could have a future beyond Cryme Tyme. Be interested to see if that materialises in a few years.

Yeah I have often thought this myself tbh, dunno about JTG mind, despite being obviously talented, I imagine he will go into the bracket of Jamie Noble and eventually dissapear.

Oh, and Kennedy had surgery today and is out for 4-6 months. I'm officially renouncing him as one of my favourites, guy's made of glass FFS.

Rumoured that people in power in the WWE are thinking the same things, apparently if he doesnt pick up quickly after coming back from his time off then he could find himself out of a job.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Yeah I have often thought this myself tbh, dunno about JTG mind, despite being obviously talented, I imagine he will go into the bracket of Jamie Noble and eventually dissapear.

Rumoured that people in power in the WWE are thinking the same things, apparently if he doesnt pick up quickly after coming back from his time off then he could find himself out of a job.

I wouldn't be surprised. The guy has had WWE Champion written all over him for about two years now, but injuries and his own stupidity have ruined everything. He's got a superb gimmick and is a natural entertainer, so they really need to give him time - but if he can't make good on their faith in him, then why would they keep him around? They've got every right to tell him his job's in jeopardy. However, they'd want to be careful he didn't go to TNA and make a huge success of himself.

Speaking of which, Foley signs for TNA in today's news. Interesting.

 

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Dave Meltzer of the wrestling observer is reporting that Christian Cage's current contract with TNA is set to expire before the end of the year and that
a return to WWE is not out of the question. With the way things are on Smackdown right now, there would certainly be a spot open for him to return and possibly
feud or reunite with Edge. Christian was said to be burned out from the tough WWE schedule after his first stint with them, but has recently noticed that since he is 35 years old
his career could be winding down and to make as much money as he can now would be in his best interest.

Cage is said to be happy with his current schedule and pay that TNA gives him, but he has been known to criticize the creative team in the past, and now that one of his good friends, Scott D'amore just left the TNA creative team
that could be enough reason for Christian to make the jump over to WWE. At this point, it would be hard to trust Cage. Upon departure from WWE in 2005, he told everyone that he wouldn't be switching companies when he had already made the deal with TNA.

While many feel he will probably stay with TNA, even Cage said himself "never say never" about a WWE return in his final interview after Taboo Tuesday.

Would mark out if that comes true.

Also just read that Kennedy's WWE contract runs out in a about 2 months (rumoured), if that's true and people in the company are fed up with him, then that could be the end we see of dear Mr Anderson.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Would mark out if that comes true.

Also just read that Kennedy's WWE contract runs out in a about 2 months (rumoured), if that's true and people in the company are fed up with him, then that could be the end we see of dear Mr Anderson.

Wow, I would mark out so much for that.

Christian vs Edge would be a HUGE money match for WMXXV if they wanted it to happen. Obviously Christian would play the face role.

Still not ruling out Hogan vs Edge myself, it could happen.

 

[Athlai]

Finally got round to reading A Lions Tale by Chris Jericho the other day, quite a good easy read, after two days of reading I have about a quarter of the book left to go, good stuff (Y).

Interesting to discover that one of the people he likes the least in all of the industry is Vampiro. Also makes an interesting point regarding having to job...

Sad, but that seems to be truer for him than for anyone else I can think of.

Why's this? When I was a kid he used to be my fave right after Sting.

 

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Why's this? When I was a kid he used to be my fave right after Sting.

Apparently whilst wrestling in Mexico and Japan Vampiro always saw Jericho as a threat and continually gave out bad advice so that Y2J would end up getting buried. Additionally he would run to the head promoter of whatever company they were working for and say that Jericho was really unhappy and hated the country etc... and hated working for whatever federation etc... and just generally try and wreck his career. Fortunately I guess that didn't really happen.

 

[masterblaster]

Would mark out if that comes true.

Also just read that Kennedy's WWE contract runs out in a about 2 months (rumoured), if that's true and people in the company are fed up with him, then that could be the end we see of dear Mr Anderson.

Christian Cage is my favourite wrestler out of both TNA and WWE combined. If Christian were to go back to WWE, I'd probably watch a lot less of TNA then I do right now.

Christian has everything a wrestling organisation could want. One of the very best in ring performers in the world, one of the very best on the microphone, lots of charisma, a model employee and someone who has so much experience in big money matches.

I won't be surprised if WWE makes him an offer once his contract with TNA expires. I've been following Christian's career since he debuted all those years back and I'd love for him to have one more chance with WWE and a possible Wrestlemania match with Edge.

 

[masterblaster]

Wow, I would mark out so much for that.

Christian vs Edge would be a HUGE money match for WMXXV if they wanted it to happen. Obviously Christian would play the face role.

Still not ruling out Hogan vs Edge myself, it could happen.

I'd buy Wrestlemania on the spot if Edge vs Christian was announced. It's a match that's fitting for a Wrestlemania main event.

Just saw Smackdown and was a decent show. Good solid debut by R-Truth. Even better that he's using his TNA enterance music! His promo segments over the last few weeks have been really well done and it's great to see Vince pushing him straight away.

 

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I think any Christian move would depend heavily on the terms in which he left WWE and whether or not he's mended any rifts that were formed at the time.

I know that Vince in particular felt that Christian owed him for giving him the best creative help in his push and believes that Christian got over largley because of that help rather than his own natural talent.

Would love to see him back, with Cena, Orton and Edge all taking a break now he could fill a void very easily. Personally think he's a great talent but as of yet not convinced he can hit the heights that the really big time players in the company (HBK, Edge, Cena, Taker, HHH) have hit. Although I'd have no problems seeing them give him a chance.

 

[masterblaster]

I think any Christian move would depend heavily on the terms in which he left WWE and whether or not he's mended any rifts that were formed at the time.

I know that Vince in particular felt that Christian owed him for giving him the best creative help in his push and believes that Christian got over largley because of that help rather than his own natural talent.

Would love to see him back, with Cena, Orton and Edge all taking a break now he could fill a void very easily. Personally think he's a great talent but as of yet not convinced he can hit the heights that the really big time players in the company (HBK, Edge, Cena, Taker, HHH) have hit. Although I'd have no problems seeing them give him a chance.

Christian is a very classy individual and from all accounts left WWE on excellent terms. Of course he has a lot of friends there (Edge, Chris Jericho, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy etc.) and I remember reading that he left on really good terms with Vince McMahon as compared to other wrestlers who have left (Booker T, Kurt Angle, Goldberg, Lesnar).

I have no doubt that WWE would be sending him some feelers and would get in touch with him once his contract with TNA runs out. One the flip side Christian has also stated that he's really happy with TNA and being part of an up and coming organisation. But then again he hasn't been booked the best in recent times.

Interesting times ahead, he could still sign again with TNA but a WWE run around the corner could be golden. Potential feuds with CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels, MVP and Edge could be absolutely out of this world promo wise and could produce some really great matches.

In terms of comparing Christian with the other greats you mentioned, I'd rank Christian as being a better pure wrestler than both Edge and Triple H. Sure Edge has a really great character now and his promo work and in ring work has been outstanding, but from a personal point of view I believe Christian to be the more complete in ring performer.

 

[pinchy81]

If Christian does come back to the WWE i would love to see his Captain Charisma gimmick back as well

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I wouldn't.

 

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Well if he does come back to WWE then the natural big money feud would be with Edge. He'd have to be face in that one and so far the best gimmick he's had is his Captain Charisma one, but to me that's more of a tweener gimmick.

Personally would like to see him try something else as he'll have to be versatile if he's to be survive for the long term in the WWE.

 

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Christian is a very classy individual and from all accounts left WWE on excellent terms. Of course he has a lot of friends there (Edge, Chris Jericho, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy etc.) and I remember reading that he left on really good terms with Vince McMahon as compared to other wrestlers who have left (Booker T, Kurt Angle, Goldberg, Lesnar).

I have no doubt that WWE would be sending him some feelers and would get in touch with him once his contract with TNA runs out. One the flip side Christian has also stated that he's really happy with TNA and being part of an up and coming organisation. But then again he hasn't been booked the best in recent times.

Interesting times ahead, he could still sign again with TNA but a WWE run around the corner could be golden. Potential feuds with CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels, MVP and Edge could be absolutely out of this world promo wise and could produce some really great matches.

In terms of comparing Christian with the other greats you mentioned, I'd rank Christian as being a better pure wrestler than both Edge and Triple H. Sure Edge has a really great character now and his promo work and in ring work has been outstanding, but from a personal point of view I believe Christian to be the more complete in ring performer.

I know you're a big TNA fan but with all due respect to them I don't believe that success there can be used as a definitive measure of how well someone could go in WWE. I say this because to be succesful in WWE requires so much more from a wrestler.

The schedule is far tougher in WWE, it generally requires far more in-ring versatility(I know there are exceptions), places a lot more emphasis on personality and more importantly it is far more cuthroat in the locker-room and politically with the people who matter. You have to excell in almost all those factors or hope that Vince/HHH/Steph sees something in you that makes them moist if you want to get anywhere in WWE.

That's why altough he's a fantastic talent I'm not 100% convinced he can reach the absolute pinnacle of the game in WWE. But like I said earlier, I'd love to see him get the opportunity to do so.

 

[masterblaster]

I know you're a big TNA fan but with all due respect to them I don't believe that success there can be used as a definitive measure of how well someone could go in WWE. I say this because to be succesful in WWE requires so much more from a wrestler.

The schedule is far tougher in WWE, it generally requires far more in-ring versatility(I know there are exceptions), places a lot more emphasis on personality and more importantly it is far more cuthroat in the locker-room and politically with the people who matter. You have to excell in almost all those factors or hope that Vince/HHH/Steph sees something in you that makes them moist if you want to get anywhere in WWE.

That's why altough he's a fantastic talent I'm not 100% convinced he can reach the absolute pinnacle of the game in WWE. But like I said earlier, I'd love to see him get the opportunity to do so.

Well his work in WWE in tag team and singles wrestling was fantastic as well. Edge and Christian in all those TLC's and tag matches were awesome and his fued with Chris Jericho throughout 2004 was some of the best television I've seen on WWE.

I'd probably like to see him stay with TNA as I enjoy supporting the smaller up and coming group. Wrestling went completely downhill when Vince bought WCW and TNA has been a breath of fresh air these last few years. I support TNA because I feel the wrestling industry needs TNA to survive and be successful.

If TNA were to lose Christian it probably would be a really bad loss for them and would be a real step back in terms of becoming legitimate competition for WWE. But for the chance of seeing an Edge vs Christian feud I wouldn't mind him going to WWE again.

 

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Just read the RAW spoilers and :

It looks pretty good. The big OMG moment was seeing Orton return which could well mean that his injury was a work as they're teasing a Punk v Orton feud pretty strong.

Other than that HBK v Jericho looks good once again, Priceless v Cryme Tyme looks like it's building nicely and Charlie Haas coming out to Cena's music sounds hilarious too.

They also taped Smackdown on the same show:

Triple H cut a promo and was interrupted by Hardy. Triple H said: "You got two strikes already Jeff, its called three strikes and you're out. Ring, ring, Hello? Yes, he's right here. It's Dr. Black, Jeff, he wants to talk to you." Quite the big thing calling out Jeff's drug problems. Hardy even seemed taken aback.

Triple H defeated Great Khali in a lumberjack match. The lumberjacks were the scramble wrestlers. Jeff hit a suicide dive onto all the lumberjacks. Triple H hit the pedigree for the win. Kendrick is either a great seller or legitimately hurt his elbow during the match when Triple H threw him into the stairs. I think he was fine, but he sold it like he broke it. Hardy got in the ring, applauded Triple H, then hit him with a Twist of Fate to end the show.

Triple H called each heel back to the ring and Pedigree'd them. He called out Zeke, but he didn't accept and left. End show.

I really hope the 4 pedigrees was after the show goes off air because if it isn't

Also, only HHH could shoot on someone like Hardy like that and get away with it.

 

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I really hope the 4 pedigrees was after the show goes off air because if it isn't

Yeah, AWTA. If that went out on TV then it's quite frankly insulting, not only to the guys in the ring, but also everyone watching.


In other news....

Only rumoured and not confirmed, but apparently HBK tore his triceps on RAW...bad news, dunno if he'll be able to get through the PPV, but I'd say that if he has suffered this injury then he'll be out for a while. Wonder how much bearing this will have on the showdown with Y2J (if it still goes ahead). Bit of a shame that the bet feud in ages will perhaps end like this....am now hoping that due to HBK in all likelehood being out for a while they will put Jericho over strong...would be one of if not the biggest win of his career.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Just watching RAW now, they did a great job of teasing Punk vs Orton with that opening segment. Should be a great feud when it happens. Good to see they've let Punk open up on the mic a little, too.

Also, LOL at the attempted heel turn from Kane resulting in him being more over as a face than he has been for ages.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm liking this "Charlie Haas impersonates other people" gimmick. It's amusing, mostly because he's really good at it. Who's it gonna be next week? I'm looking forward to finding out.

EDIT 2: I have to big up Jericho here for his performance during the main event promo. HBK was great too, but Jericho beginning by not looking Michaels in the eye, using the word "solipsistic", which I (as a man who got an A at A-Level English) actually had to look up to find out what it meant, then finally getting in HBK's face leading to the confrontation...just brilliant. This guy surely has to get a World title run soon.

 

[Majin]

Agree with you an all counts there Matt, I loved the opening segment so much. RAW has missed Randy Orton on the mic imho, as he seems to have been replaced with JBL. And don't get me wrong JBL is a quality heel promo guy but he always goes on for far too long and it goes from being good to being annoying. Loved the part where he slapped Cody Rhodes as well, that was a great scene. Really hope CM Punk still has the title by the time Orton comes back 'cause that feud will be awesome.

And yeah I love this new Charlie Haas gimmick, it's nice to see him getting some air time as he has always been a talented wrestler that I've enjoyed watching, just never been able to get over with the crowd. When he got on the mic last night he had the most heel heat I'd heard in ages, god damn the crowd hated him hope he gets a good run with this comedy character.

 

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My random RAW comments:

-Jericho is god. He can do anything
-Kane coming out and saying he's been to hell and Bradshaw's clothesline wasnt there
-Priceless v Cryme Tyme is becoming a very enjoyable feud. Would love it to go past Unforgiven
-An ECW Championship Scramble is the biggest waste of time ever.
-Kane getting face pops when they try and turn him heel is pretty funny
- Rey and Kane did a real good job here in their little cameo fight but I hope this is concluded ASAP, because the size differential does undermine Rey big time.
- Glad Orton is back and he did a good job, but the bloke has the personality of a doorknob and can only do so much in a non-wrestling capacity. I hope the crash was exaggerated and he's back soon, because there are plenty of awesome feuds they can put him in.
- WWE has such a talented undercard but now they're paying for not pushing any of them with any sort of protective cushion because the injuries they have now should be opening up some big opportunities that can't be taken as most people don't take them seriously.
- I really don't like the idea of Punk losing so often but it gives me hope they'll put him strongly over at Unforgiven.