***Official*** English Domestic Season 2008

[Richard]

I seriously hope we don't play 2 spinners in India.

Another spinner in the touring party would be wise, but there is no-one of the calibre to exploit Indian surfaces against Indian batsmen for mine, apart from MSP.

That's aside from the fact not all wickets in India turn. I expect the Brabourne to do so, but I forget where the other Test is played.

 

[zaremba]

Thats a bit harsh Mr Z - I would have thought with the reguarity with which you have pinched our title in recent seasons you could afford to be a bit more magnanimous

Someone will no doubt tell me if I'm wrong, but I can't believe that any one player has ever had such sustained success against one county as Stuey has had against us.

 

[Goughy]

I wouldnt take Harmison to India.

God knows, he will not want to be there, the tracks will not suit him and medium pace erratic bowling helps noone.

The guys that reverse it should get preference. It will be funny if Harmison does well tomorrow and gets picked for a tour he shouldnt go on, after missing most of a summer he was perfectly suited to.

 

[GIMH]

I seriously hope we don't play 2 spinners in India.

Another spinner in the touring party would be wise, but there is no-one of the calibre to exploit Indian surfaces against Indian batsmen for mine, apart from MSP.

That's aside from the fact not all wickets in India turn. I expect the Brabourne to do so, but I forget where the other Test is played.

Aye, but what the fans hope and the selectors do are two separate things. It's a shame we don't have a more useful part-time spin option, a spinning version of Colly if you will. If he wasn't skipper we'd probably see KP go through the overs in India but that really shouldn't happen now. Maybe Cook

 

[zaremba]

Aye, but what the fans hope and the selectors do are two separate things. It's a shame we don't have a more useful part-time spin option, a spinning version of Colly if you will. If he wasn't skipper we'd probably see KP go through the overs in India but that really shouldn't happen now. Maybe Cook

It would most likely be a spinning all-rounder - Swann, I'd imagine.

However there is much to be said for not picking two spinners for the sake of it.

 

[GIMH]

A spinning all-rounder at 8 still limits us to three seamers though. Would be better if we had someone who could bat at six and send down some useful spin, like Australia have with Clarke (though I think he bats four, the point is the same though)

 

[zaremba]

One player who won't get selected, but whom we'll miss in India, is Hoggy.

 

[Richard]

A spinning all-rounder at 8 still limits us to three seamers though. Would be better if we had someone who could bat at six and send down some useful spin, like Australia have with Clarke (though I think he bats four, the point is the same though)

Five FTR, though four in ODIs IIRR.

I've long since given-up expecting sanity from the selectors, especially after this last 12 months, but you never know - they still get some things right. Hopefully MSP being a sole specialist spinner in India might be one such thing.

As far as part-timers go, Pietersen isn't the rank worst, and if Vaughan should get back in the side he too could probably do a decent job now he's not captain any more.

 

[BHG86]

Closest that England have to a Michael Clarke is Samit Patel, and he's obviously on the "lets see if he can play one-day cricket first" production path.

I'd say Owais Shah but his bowling isn't quite in the right category.

Maybe Pietersen will fancy himself...

 

[GIMH]

Five FTR, though four in ODIs IIRR.

I've long since given-up expecting sanity from the selectors, especially after this last 12 months, but you never know - they still get some things right. Hopefully MSP being a sole specialist spinner in India might be one such thing.

As far as part-timers go, Pietersen isn't the rank worst, and if Vaughan should get back in the side he too could probably do a decent job now he's not captain any more.

Thought it was Vaughan's knee rather than the captaincy that held him back from bowling

 

[Richard]

If it holds him back from bowling it'll also hold him back from running after a ball then throwing it back.

Bowling as a spinner is not terribly physically straining. The only pressure is on the fingers and shoulder, neither being UIMM something Vaughan has had any problems with.

Vaughan just never bowled much when he was captain.

 

[Richard]

Closest that England have to a Michael Clarke is Samit Patel, and he's obviously on the "lets see if he can play one-day cricket first" production path.

I'd say Owais Shah but his bowling isn't quite in the right category.

Haha, TSTL.

I said it in the SL tour thread and I've seen nothing yet to make me believe otherwise, but I'd rate my bowling above Owais Shah's.

 

[zaremba]

Well Lancashire will be smiling from ear to ear as their miserable weather saves them, yet again.

 

[fredfertang]

Well Sussex will be smiling from ear to ear as our miserable weather saves them, yet again.

 

[zaremba]

Well Sussex will be smiling from ear to ear as our miserable weather saves them, yet again.

... says Fertang, glad to be back in the house after completing an exhausting but successful rain-dance in the garden.

 

[GIMH]

If it holds him back from bowling it'll also hold him back from running after a ball then throwing it back.

Bowling as a spinner is not terribly physically straining. The only pressure is on the fingers and shoulder, neither being UIMM something Vaughan has had any problems with.

Vaughan just never bowled much when he was captain.

I always thought it odd, but general consensus has been that it's his knee that has prevented him from turning his arm over in Tests

 

[Perm]

If it holds him back from bowling it'll also hold him back from running after a ball then throwing it back.

Bowling as a spinner is not terribly physically straining. The only pressure is on the fingers and shoulder, neither being UIMM something Vaughan has had any problems with.

Vaughan just never bowled much when he was captain.

Do you even think about what you are saying sometimes? When you are a spin bowler a certain amount of pressure is exerted on your knee's with the twisting, turning and weight placed on them. Obviously not as much strain as with a fast bowler, but there is still the issue of tearing muscles due to the twisting nature of a spinner's leg.

 

[Goughy]

When you are a spin bowler a certain amount of pressure is exerted on your knee's with the twisting, turning and weight placed on them. Obviously not as much strain as with a fast bowler, but there is still the issue of tearing muscles due to the twisting nature of a spinner's leg.

Yeah, the offspin bowlers pivot buts a fair (and unnatural) strain on the knee. If afflicted with a knee problem it could be difficult to bowl with and isnt replicated in other cricket disciplines

 

[Richard]

Do you even think about what you are saying sometimes?

Yes, always - it'd be pointless saying it otherwise.

When you are a spin bowler a certain amount of pressure is exerted on your knee's with the twisting, turning and weight placed on them. Obviously not as much strain as with a fast bowler, but there is still the issue of tearing muscles due to the twisting nature of a spinner's leg.

And have you ever watched Michael Vaughan's action? It's the slowest, easiest action you'll ever see - possibly for the precise reason that he's always had to be careful about his knees.

 

[zaremba]

Fertang your rain dance failed you today...