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Geraint Jones... a forgotten hero?

GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Aye if there was ever a time you wouldn't have wanted Geraint coming to the crease, it's after Flintoff today.

Different situation, but see also, Trent Bridge, 2005
 
Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Richard said:
No-one needs to be confused by attempts to bluff, because such things don't exist here. You did misinterpret what I said though - probably deliberately.
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No I didn't.

Richard said:
Proved to you maybe - which really doesn't matter. There is nothing important to a wicketkeeper other than ability to ensure the ball goes cleanly into your gloves. There are a great many skills which help a good wicketkeeper do this, but at the end of the day this is the aim.

And really, someone saying "it's not" won't change that. If they explained what else there was to it, maybe it might. But some people are more interested in trying - and usually failing - to make others look foolish than actually offering insight.
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Go and buy a book on the subject (of wicket keeping that is, you've already perfected the looking foolish part.)
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
GeraintIsMyHero said:
Aye if there was ever a time you wouldn't have wanted Geraint coming to the crease, it's after Flintoff today.

Different situation, but see also, Trent Bridge, 2005
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Not to mention that almost every significant test match inning that Geraint played (and there werent many) were all played alongside Flintoff.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
tooextracool said:
Not to mention that almost every significant test match inning that Geraint played (and there werent many) were all played alongside Flintoff.
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Yeah, they batted well together a few times. Think Fred liked Geraint, remember his "there weren't any criticisms of him in our dressing room"
 
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Bob Bamber

U19 12th Man
Always liked GoJo - not sure why , as he wasn't any more special than any of the other keeping incumbents that have been in the role the past two years. Will always remember him for the partnership with Freddie at Trent Bridge in the Ashes.

Just a shame really - when we were down under , he was flowing on 30 odd - ball flying to the boundary (IIRC) , and then one kept low and he dragged on - the rest as they say is history.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, he scored 33 and looked really good, got out and that was basically the end. He'd never got out for a duck and finished his Test career with a pair, including a shambolic run-out
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Lillian Thomson said:
To be fair he's hardly going to say they were all walking around the dressing room calling him a nob.
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Yeah, but the way the question was asked he could have just said, "yeah he did well" or whatever but he felt the need to make everybody aware that the dressing room was behind him.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
zaremba said:
No. You can't ignore batting (in)ability. A keeper needs to score some runs to be worthy of his place. That's why Alan Knott > Bob Taylor. Taylor was the better keeper, but Knott the more valuable player overall.
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If Flintoff rediscovers his batting form, and Broad continues his and develops his bowling to be Test Class, England won't need their keeper to be capable of batting higher than 9.
 
SpaceMonkey

SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
I always liked Geraint Jones as Englands keeper. Not due to his batting / glove work (which was very much underrated come the end), but because he was always vocal, and kept the bowlers going. Something no other keeper has done. (I think i read somewhere one of the main reasons Read was outcast so much was because Fletcher didnt feel he was vocal enough). Which i have to agree with. The tempo / intensity of the bowling attack often starts at the Keeper for me.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
SpaceMonkey said:
The point is its clear that Ambrose doesnt have the technique. Even if he got a lucky score here and there it wouldnt be something thats going to happen regularly vs good bowling. So why are we perserving with him?
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Because its about time we persisted with someone. Its ridiculous that we drop keepers left and right. Ambrose hasnt done poorly enough to be dropped. The problem with England is that they spend soo much time looking for the next Alec Stewart that they simply ignore the possibility of a Mark Boucher.
 
aussie

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Geraint Jones will probably always have a soft spor in the heart of ENG supporters given his role in the 05 Ashes. But fact is the man wasn't good enough consistently in any facet in the game.

For him to play for ENG again he really has to transform his game to a whole new level, which unfortunately i don't ever expect to happen.
 
fredfertang

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
aussie said:
Geraint Jones will probably always have a soft spor in the heart of ENG supporters given his role in the 05 Ashes. But fact is the man wasn't good enough consistently in any facet in the game.
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This is very true

With Flintoff and Broad to stiffen the lower order my view is that the selectors should just go back to the best keeper option - Foster's 85mph leg side stumping the other night was awesome - no one is more deserving of a second go at international cricket than him
 
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