the best Asian cricketer

[Sanz]

let me put it this way, in ODIs Imran Khan as a bowler would struggle more to get into the top 3 bowler's list than Tendulkar would in batsmen's .... in fact in ODIs, Tendulkar is the best batsman, along with Richards. the same cannot be said about Imran Khan as a bowler

I am not so sure about that, Had Imran remained retired after 1987, he would be known as one of the best fast ODI bowlers ever, mainly because form such opinions are usually based on career stats.

Even if we disregard the above Imran is still among the best allrounders ever in ODIs, Best Captains, Tendulkar is not. Imran will easily be among the top 3 captains, Tendulkar will struggle to get among top 50 (as captain).

Tendulkar has played so many gems be it the two against Aus at Sharjah, his performance in 2003 WC, in 1996 WC, his cool 100s in the Natwest in 2002, his 80 odd in NZ, his 180 odd against NZ to his performance in the recent CB series

Imran too, even in his short ODI career, played many valuable innings, bowled some inspirational spells and above all led with distinction almost all the time.

and ofc, I have no problems with people thinking that Imran is the best Asian cricketer as everyone is entitled to an opinion

The problem is not with you having an opinion that Tendulkar as the best Asian Cricketer but with your reasoning that - ".... in bowler friendly conditions, most bowlers would be effective so would Imran but someone like Tendulkar would bat well in tough conditions too be it ODIs or Tests .... in batting friendly conditions, Tendulkar would do well, along with most batsmen but Imran's bowling may not be that useful..." - Which is just pure nonsense.

 

[ret]

is this about the best asian odi cricketer or the best asian cricketer? if it is the best cricketer, tests are the arbitrer of cricketing excellence and no one in asia has achieved more than imran as a bowler, imran as an allrounder, imran as an inspirational leader....

well, it's should take both in account, imo

it's an overstatement saying that no one has achieved more than Imran has a bowler as the prime example is someone like Murali

agree with you on the basis of an all-rounder in and a leader

 

[Anil]

well, it's should take both in account, imo

it's an overstatement saying that no one has achieved more than Imran has a bowler as the prime example is someone like Murali

agree with you on the basis of an all-rounder in and a leader

should have said pace bowler...

 

[ret]

should have said pace bowler...

could you show that?

 

[Sanz]

Eagerly awaiting Anil's response.

 

[weldone]

1. Imran
2. Murali
3. Sachin

 

[Anil]

could you show that?

where? i didn't specify that in my post, and was pointing out my mistake....

 

[Anil]

Eagerly awaiting Anil's response.

i did respond but not sure why the whole thing is funny...maybe i am missing something...

 

[Prince EWS]

Haha really?

Cribb to confirm\refute.

Refuted.

 

[FRAZ]

Shoaib Akhtar !

 

[SJS]

I am surprised how easily people can say it has to be one or the other and be so damned sure about it.

How does one chose between the likes of Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kapil, Imran, Murali and one could add half a dozen others?

And does it matter ?

I would chose Murali one day, Tendulkar on another, Imran on another, Zaheer on another .....

 

[silentstriker]

I am surprised how easily people can say it has to be one or the other and be so damned sure about it.

How does one chose between the likes of Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kapil, Imran, Murali and one could add half a dozen others?

And does it matter ?

I would chose Murali one day, Tendulkar on another, Imran on another, Zaheer on another .....

Surely Zaheer Khan wouldn't be that high!

Yes, I know who you mean.

 

[ret]

where? i didn't specify that in my post, and was pointing out my mistake....

i m saying could you elaborate on why do you think that Imran is the best pacer .... i was interested in knowing why you think that and thats what i had asked .... anyways don't bother replying now

 

[Smudge]

Richard Chee Quee.

 

[subshakerz]

I am surprised how easily people can say it has to be one or the other and be so damned sure about it.

How does one chose between the likes of Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kapil, Imran, Murali and one could add half a dozen others?

And does it matter ?

I would chose Murali one day, Tendulkar on another, Imran on another, Zaheer on another .....

Imran would have been all-time great comparable to Murali, Tendulkar, Gavaskar and Wasim on bowling alone. On top of that he was an accomplished batsman and one of the greatest captains ever. With the possible exception of Sobers, I can't think of a more complete cricketer than Imran. He literally did it all.

 

[Richard]

Keith Miller is pretty much his equal IMO, apart from him though - no-one.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Ian Botham is equal to Imran apart from in the captaincy stakes (..better batsman, not as good a bowler.....statsguru.blah blah), but the timing of Botham becoming captain meant his failure was a bit more abrupt than it might have been.

 

[Richard]

No, Botham wasn't as good as Imran for more than a few years. While no-one is underestimating how good he was in that time, to claim Botham '84 to '87 was even close to being Imran's equal is ludicrous, and nothing more.

Imran's best = Botham's best (Botham > Imran as batsman, Imran > Botham as bowler), but Imran managed to keep it up for longer.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

No, Botham wasn't as good as Imran for more than a few years. While no-one is underestimating how good he was in that time, to claim Botham '84 to '87 was even close to being Imran's equal is ludicrous, and nothing more.

Imran's best = Botham's best (Botham > Imran as batsman, Imran > Botham as bowler), but Imran managed to keep it up for longer.

The original quote was "I can't think of a more complete cricketer than Imran" and Ian Botham was apart being an unproven captain.

 

[Richard]

Indeed, and that's true - but it's also true that Botham was such a thing for a much shorter time than Miller and Imran. Obviously, the original quote didn't pertain to longevity, but it's generally assumed - otherwise you could argue that Andrew Flintoff's performance in the last four Tests in 2005 put him as their equal.