**Official** New Zealand in England

[Richard]

Haha, bloody hell.

NZ do like to bash-up substandard sides.

Utterly ridiculous that these games class as ODIs.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Haha, bloody hell.

NZ do like to bash-up substandard sides.

Maybe because they are substandard?

James Marshall has the 4th highest ODI score for NZ ever

 

[Richard]

Maybe because they are substandard?

Aye, but NZ seem to bash them better than most do.

James Marshall has the 4th highest ODI score for NZ ever

And all the top 5 have come in games that shouldn't be classed as ODIs in several million years.
Vincent 172 against Zimbabwe circa 2005
Glenn Turner 171* against the might of East Africa
McCullum 166 today
Marshall 161 today
Astle 145* against the might of USA

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Aye, but NZ seem to bash them better than most do.

And some teams lose against them.

I definitely know what I want my team to do against a minnow.

 

[Days of Grace]

I wonder if Bracewell will give Marshall and Hopkins games against Ireland and Scotland?

They will minnow-bash a century and a fifty a piece and thus we will be stuck with them for the champions trophy. Dear-oh-dear. Can see it happening from a mile away.

Gun call, t.b.h.

So, Marshall has secured his place in the side for the next three years. Great.

 

[Prince EWS]

And some teams lose against them.

I definitely know what I want my team to do against a minnow.

I don't think he was criticising NZ; just pointing it out.

 

[Richard]

And some teams lose against them.

I definitely know what I want my team to do against a minnow.

Aye, me too. I wasn't suggesting (as you maybe seem to believe I was) that NZ are doing anything wrong by bashing substandard sides. Merely commenting on the fact that they seem to do it better than most.

IIRR, apart from England, they're the only ODI-standard team never to lose to a substandard team in a game classified by I$C$C at the time as a ODI.
Australia - Bangladesh, 2005.
India - Kenya, 1997/98; Kenya, 2001/02; Bangladesh, 2004/05; Bangladesh, 2006/07.
Pakistan - Bangladesh, 1999; Ireland, 2006/07.
South Africa - Bangladesh, 2006/07.
Sri Lanka - Kenya 2002/03; Zimbabwe, 2002/03 (Sharjah); Bangladesh, 2005/06.
West Indies - Kenya, 1995/96; Zimbabwe, 2003/04 (x 2); Zimbabwe, 2007/08.
Zimbabwe - Kenya, 2002/03.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

I don't think he was criticising NZ; just pointing it out.

Nah, I was just forcing the inenvitable post that proceeded this one.

 

[laksh_01]

Worst Show by Ireland. Anways not to blame them, this team looks like Ireland A playing with no key players, but its tough for these teams to get matches against big teams if they send such teams for big matches like these!

 

[Richard]

Southee and Mason both conceding 5-an-over in their opening spells, but taking 2-20 and 3-30 respectively.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Ireland need 146 to avoid the largest defeat ever.

 

[Richard]

Reckon they'll do well to manage that ITBT.

61-6.

Could we possibly have a 300-run defeat in a one-day game?

 

[Prince EWS]

This match is a ridiculous farce - even moreso than matches involving an associate and a Test nation usually are. Some of the players Ireland are fielding wouldn't make their Second XI at full strength and only Botha, McCallan and White would push for selection if they had all players available.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

This match is a ridiculous farce - even moreso than matches involving an associate and a Test nation usually are. Some of the players Ireland are fielding wouldn't make their Second XI at full strength and only Botha, McCallan and White would push for selection if they had all players available.

The word "pointless" comes to mind.

Ireland rarely get to play good opposition, and when they do only 3 players are available.

 

[Richard]

Matches between ODI-standard teams and non-ODI-standard teams, which aren't pre-ODI matches, are always a waste of time.

And as said, this more so than ever.

At risk of repetition - Ireland will always struggle to be an independent cricket team.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Matches between ODI-standard teams and non-ODI-standard teams, which aren't pre-ODI matches, are always a waste of time.

I wouldn't say they are a waste of time for the non-ODI-standard team. How are they going to get better if they don't play a really good side every now and again, its not like they are playing them all the time.

I do find in crazy that so many players are missing. Porterfield, Morgan etc too busy trying to qualify for England?

 

[Richard]

I wouldn't say they are a waste of time for the non-ODI-standard team. How are they going to get better if they don't play a really good side every now and again, its not like they are playing them all the time.

You don't get better by being hopelessly outgunned, even though most outgunnings aren't this bad.

You get better by playing teams slightly above your level, not miles above it.

I do find in crazy that so many players are missing. Porterfield, Morgan etc too busy trying to qualify for England?

Not sure, but I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they were.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

You don't get better by being hopelessly outgunned, even though most outgunnings aren't this bad.

You get better by playing teams slightly above your level, not miles above it.

Yeah, but a couple of games against a good side once a year isn't such a bad thing. It would just be nice if there whole team showed up.

Not sure, but I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they were.

A bit of a joke though.

 

[Nate]

What a farce. Poor Ireland.

New Zealand always do seem to make the most of dire opposition. Fairplay.

 

[Richard]

Yeah, but a couple of games against a good side once a year isn't such a bad thing. It would just be nice if there whole team showed up.

It's not the end of The World, but personally I don't see any real point in it. And if they must be played, they certainly shouldn't be classified ODIs.

A bit of a joke though.

I don't think it neccessarily is. Until recently England and Ireland has been one united entity in cricket terms. It's only because I$C$C want to create the illusion of expansion, and that there's never been an Irish county playing in the County Championship, that they're currently defined as separate.

It's likely that the best Irish players will continue to want to play for England. Nor do I see anything much wrong with it. I don't see any reason why Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales cannot be one.