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**Official** New Zealand in England

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Are ICL players banned internationally? I thought it was at each board's discretion.
No, no-one who's played in the ICL will be playing international cricket again. At the very least, as long as the ICL exists for - and possibly ever.

The expectation is that they'll not be selected (no actual ban can be enforced as this is legally impossible) and no-one can make them be picked.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha, anyone regretting Nixon being unfairly dumped?
Nope. Don't think it was unfair either. Nixon was only ever a stopgap measure, he'd have been told the score, and he did the job asked of him.

It was always going to be a case of Nixon coming-in for that winter then dropping-out again for someone who could play in WC2011.

Picking Nixon now won't and wouldn't help us in 2011.
 

cowboysfan

U19 Debutant
Let me summarise:

New Zealand go at 3.5 an over, then Oram goes ballistic with 15 overs to go. England go at 3.5 an over and have lost by the 45th over when Shah decides to have a go and gets out.
This will continue to be England's problem.They dont have big hitters in the end and cant accelerate if they want to too.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha, anyone regretting Nixon being unfairly dumped?
Nope. Don't think it was unfair either. Nixon was only ever a stopgap measure, he'd have been told the score, and he did the job asked of him.

It was always going to be a case of Nixon coming-in for that winter then dropping-out again for someone who could play in WC2011.

Picking Nixon now won't and wouldn't help us in 2011.
This is true, however picking Ambrose won't help us in 2011 either. Clearly not an ODI keeper. Mustard wasn't great, but crucially he opened up slightly better than Luke Wright and scored more runs than Ambrose, for these reasons I believe he should perhaps be recalled. Doubt the selectors would do such an about-turn, you never know though.

You know my thoughts already on whether we should be concerned about the BCCI's anti-ICL stance, so I won't go there, but I don't see why our team should suffer. If Read is the best man for the job then give it to him. Oh hell, I went there after all :blink:
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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You know my thoughts already on whether we should be concerned about the BCCI's anti-ICL stance, so I won't go there, but I don't see why our team should suffer. If Read is the best man for the job then give it to him. Oh hell, I went there after all :blink:
But picking that one, average cricketer, could earn the ECB the most powerful enemy in the sport. For obvious reasons, making an enemy of the BCCI is more disastrous than pissing off the ICC.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Let me summarise:

New Zealand go at 3.5 an over, then Oram goes ballistic with 15 overs to go. England go at 3.5 an over and have lost by the 45th over when Shah decides to have a go and gets out.
Aye, I know roughly what happened, I listened to more of it than not on the radio (and watched the first 20-odd overs of NZ's innings before playing today). Just want to see what it looked like. :)
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
This is true, however picking Ambrose won't help us in 2011 either. Clearly not an ODI keeper. Mustard wasn't great, but crucially he opened up slightly better than Luke Wright and scored more runs than Ambrose, for these reasons I believe he should perhaps be recalled. Doubt the selectors would do such an about-turn, you never know though.

You know my thoughts already on whether we should be concerned about the BCCI's anti-ICL stance, so I won't go there, but I don't see why our team should suffer. If Read is the best man for the job then give it to him. Oh hell, I went there after all :blink:
I actually don't think Ambrose's OD batting is all as bad as had been made out. However, I don't think he's going to be particularly useful at #7. If you could find a spot for him at #5 I think he'd be pretty good but it's not going to happen.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
This is true, however picking Ambrose won't help us in 2011 either. Clearly not an ODI keeper. Mustard wasn't great, but crucially he opened up slightly better than Luke Wright and scored more runs than Ambrose, for these reasons I believe he should perhaps be recalled. Doubt the selectors would do such an about-turn, you never know though.
Personally I don't think these 3 innings is enough for me to decide Ambrose isn't a ODI batsman. If he goes poorly against SA too, then give the next buggins a go (ideally Foster rather than Mustard again). But over-hasty decisions have bedevilled England many times in the recent past, almost as much as picking nonsense players (like Wright and Mustard).
You know my thoughts already on whether we should be concerned about the BCCI's anti-ICL stance, so I won't go there, but I don't see why our team should suffer. If Read is the best man for the job then give it to him. Oh hell, I went there after all :blink:
Like it or not, we have far more to lose by defying the BCCI than we do by not having the best wicketkeeper-batsman in the country play for us. I cannot understand why anyone thinks it'd be anything but mad to defy them. And as Camps pointed-out, it's not like Read is the second coming of Alec Stewart.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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I actually don't think Ambrose's OD batting is all as bad as had been made out. However, I don't think he's going to be particularly useful at #7. If you could find a spot for him at #5 I think he'd be pretty good but it's not going to happen.
Needs to sort his catching out.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
BTW, just watched the McCullum-bat instance having heard about it earlier. :laugh: at that. The TMS team made far more of it than the Sky lot did mind.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Needs to sort his catching out.
He dropped 1 sitter. I dropped 2 earlier today (well, 1 sitter and one fairly straightforward 1).

I'm normally a damn good catcher too. So is Ambrose. He just made a single, very bad, error.

Unlike me, he didn't have the blasted, piece-of-**** sun getting in his way either.
 

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