Son Of Coco
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Pity you guys didn't have the same attitude in 1981 when your batsman failed to hit the last ball from Trevor Chappell, which pitched at the bowler's feet by the way, over the fence for 6.
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**Official** New Zealand in England
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Gun-ness.
Its ridiculous how Aus handled Vettori in that match compared to the other bowlers. His figures are amazing when you think about how everyone else was absolutely smashed.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
My shin splints were playing up this morning - some knob ahead of me was walking too fast on the way to work...
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sounds to me like you need to lose some weight, if you can't keep the pace with some knob
James
Cricket Web Owner
You Tube videos for those who might have missed it:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6_KIRBxb64s
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pLDbfAFZSuQ
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6_KIRBxb64s
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pLDbfAFZSuQ
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
That's why I'm walking!
James
Cricket Web Owner
First time I've seen it after watching that You Tube video and boy that was absolutely shocking stuff. Clearly has to be another law change IMO, where if a bowler and batsman collide, it's dead ball.
Never heard Ian Smith who is normally a very softly spoken guy get so angry about something.
Never heard Ian Smith who is normally a very softly spoken guy get so angry about something.
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
cut this crap on Vettori. Yes he has probably had a few brain explosions from time to time and his actions this morning were dissappointing. But he is in the top 5 ODI bowlers in the world and he is a solid test bowler. He is improving as a captain and without being the most athletic of fielders he does his best and doesnt drop many.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
He acted fairly childish in not shaking hands immediately afterwards, keeping the team in the dressing rooms AFAIK. But he said in hindsight that he was wrong to do that.
archie mac
International Coach
Slow over rates in ODI, who cares? As long as they face 50 overs each who cares. I always thought they only worried because of the TV having to start their news late
profernity
U19 Debutant
Having seen the incident and the end of the match, it really does seem to be all blown out of proportion. The actions of all involved were perfectly understandable, and in the end, I think the apologies by both captains will go a long way to settle the issue. Whether the NZ and England media will want to let go of it is another matter. Heck, even the Sydney Morning Herald published a report with the headline "Bodyline II: NZ snub England". What a ridiculous wind-up
.As for the verbals from Vettori, McCullum and Styris, and the failure to shake hands with Collingwood, well I think the closeness of the match went a long way to fuel it. Your team scores 1 run from the first five balls of the last over needing 2 to win, who wouldn't be doing their nut. The run-out occurred less than an hour ago, and you're thinking that it could cost you the match. In the heat of the moment you may forget that it's the top order batting failure that's more responsible for the match being this close. The main thing is that it stayed on the field (and dressing room) and didn't spill over off the field. I am generally more forgiving of on-field behaviour than off-field behaviour. Then again, perhaps I wasn't as offended by it as some because I was still laughing over Vettori's hysterical "RUN! RUN! RUN!"
James
Cricket Web Owner
Given the circumstances involved, I personally can't see how he can be blamed too much for doing that. I bet Ponting, Dhoni, Smith, etc and even Collingwood had the roles been reversed would have done the same as Vettori in the same position. A heap of drama given what Collingwood did, and very easy for Vettori to get caught up in the emotion of it all.
Great to see the two sides sort it out though so soon afterwards which was very positive and hopefully it can all be forgotten about now.
profernity
U19 Debutant
Haven't NZ and England been playing each other for almost six months? I'm surprised something hasn't kicked off sooner. They're probably just trying to piss each other off out of sheer boredom.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gotta laugh at the suggestions that Sidebottom obstructed Elliot. Sorry if you block someone from getting to a catch you'd be given out obstructing the field. Follow that logic on to a run out chance and it's obvious Elliot is obstructing Sidebottom not the other way around. Elliot ran straight into Sidebottom's route to the ball, Sidebottom made more effort to get out of Elliot's way than the other way around. The onus is on Elliot to get out of Sidebottom's way - Sidebottom doesn't have to get out of Elliot's way at all. Elliot took his chance and lost out. Tough.
You create a dangerous precedent if you allow Elliot to do that sort of thing without any negative consequences. Of course it'd be better if there was some proper rules covering such a situation instead.
You create a dangerous precedent if you allow Elliot to do that sort of thing without any negative consequences. Of course it'd be better if there was some proper rules covering such a situation instead.
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Agree with this post, a very good one at that.Having seen the incident and the end of the match, it really does seem to be all blown out of proportion. The actions of all involved were perfectly understandable, and in the end, I think the apologies by both captains will go a long way to settle the issue. Whether the NZ and England media will want to let go of it is another matter. Heck, even the Sydney Morning Herald published a report with the headline "Bodyline II: NZ snub England". What a ridiculous wind-up
As for the verbals from Vettori, McCullum and Styris, and the failure to shake hands with Collingwood, well I think the closeness of the match went a long way to fuel it. Your team scores 1 run from the first five balls of the last over needing 2 to win, who wouldn't be doing their nut. The run-out occurred less than an hour ago, and you're thinking that it could cost you the match. In the heat of the moment you may forget that it's the top order batting failure that's more responsible for the match being this close. The main thing is that it stayed on the field (and dressing room) and didn't spill over off the field. I am generally more forgiving of on-field behaviour than off-field behaviour. Then again, perhaps I wasn't as offended by it as some because I was still laughing over Vettori's hysterical "RUN! RUN! RUN!"
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
IIRC, the bowler has to get out of the batsmens way of running after they deliver the ball. Sidebottom went for the ball at the same time Elliott was trying to get a run. They collided, an unfortunately accident on the field with multiple things happening at once.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't know what the rules are on that but you see bowlers just stand where they are after delivery - they don't move out of the way as such. It's a different situation here anyway because the bowler is fielding the ball.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Im not sure if Im reading this right, but by the sound of it you are saying the bowler must move for the batsman.
Its the opposite. The batsman must negotiate the bowler