**Official** New Zealand in England

[_Ed_]

I'm surprised Ricardo Patrese hasn't pulled you up for "avoiding the filter" given you've done this twice in the last five minutes and Richard usually picks people up for that. Mind you, I shouldn't be surprised as each time you leave, he waxes lyrical about how much he misses you for a good half an hour.

Everytime you go... away... You take a piece of Rich with you...

 

[Perm]

omg, I feel all warm inside. What changed your mind?

No idea, but I don't think it was listening to you

Probably just watching Vettori on the field more, realising he's a pretty poor Test bowler for any number of reasons, reading some of the praise he gets heaped upon him, and just seeing for myself that he comes across as a real dick.

That is my opinion of course, for all I know he could be the nicest guy in the world.

 

[Flem274*]

As he's a 6'4" piece of sh*t I think "tall-poopy syndrome" is very apt indeed

And Vettori deserves this slight on his character why? Have you met him? If you haven't then whatever your opinion of his bowling, making assumptions on his character when you don't even know him is bond21-esque.

What did he do, steal your girlfriend?

 

[thierry henry]

This is the same over-rated bowler that is arguably the best left arm spinner in the world (arguable given Panesar's lack of appearances in ODIs for England)? Conducting himself poorly on the field...what?? From what I've observed hes a very good ambassador of the game who, whilst prefers to play a more low-key role than a Shane Warne or even Stephen Fleming type of leader, still portrays a very encouraging leader for the team to follow. You don't have to field at first or second slip for your entire career to be perceived to be a good captain.

I don't think you're being observant enough then

To me Vettori is quite conspicuous and over-bearing. Chronic over-appealer, repeat offender of not turning to the umpire, etc. Just because he wears glasses and is articulate, people think he is quite and thoughtful.

 

[NZTailender]

I'm surprised Ricardo Patrese hasn't pulled you up for "avoiding the filter" given you've done this twice in the last five minutes and Richard usually picks people up for that. Mind you, I shouldn't be surprised as each time you leave, he waxes lyrical about how much he misses you for a good half an hour.

Everytime you go... away... You take a piece of Rich with you...

When it comes to trolling on one particular subject, TH and SP are on par for mine.

 

[Jono]

Didn't stay up and watch the cricket so only heard about the result and the incident this afternoon. As far as I'm concerned, it was awefully against the spirit of the game from Collingwood to appeal, as well as whoever it was that took the stumps off from Bell's throw. As for people bitching about New Zealand doing something similar to Murali, its got no comparison. Murali was dumb, the ball could well have gone for overthrows and I'm sure that Kumar Sangakkara would've taken an extra run if there had been an overthrow to get back on strike. It only made sense to complete the run out. In this incident the fielding side was at fault - not the batsman. It was the bowler, Sidebottom, who blocked the batsman and prevented him from getting anywhere near his ground. Given that the fielding side obstructed the batsman to such a degree, to appeal for his wicket leaves me shocked to be honest.

Ironically Mark Benson gave England the choice to do the right thing and withdraw the appeal, yet Collingwood obviously didn't accept the offer. Very good umpiring to give the fielding captain time to dwell on his decision, and just a shame Collingwood failed to make the right one within the spirit of the game and the series.

I'm of the general view that Collingwood should have withdrew his appeal, but Sidebottom did nothing wrong. He went for the ball.

 

[thierry henry]

And Vettori deserves this slight on his character why?

Because of the amusing typo

Have you met him?

A few times. Seems nice enough.

 

[Somerset]

Patel is one of the worst players to play for NZ in recent times imo....we just don't do spin very well, and the worst thing is we think we do

Patel has had so few opportunities and hasn't played a single test on the sub continent....calling him one of the worst players to play for NZ is ridiculous. Its almost like discussing a young fast bowler on a flat track in Sri Lanka.

 

[NZTailender]

I don't think you're being observant enough then

To me Vettori is quite conspicuous and over-bearing. Chronic over-appealer, repeat offender of not turning to the umpire, etc. Just because he wears glasses and is articulate, people think he is quite and thoughtful.

Probably because he's been playing since he was 17 and early on he was rather quiet and thoughtful. Since becoming a more senior player he's become more 'pro-active' if I can use a buzzword. Though arrogant could also fit, tbh.

 

[Flem274*]

Daniel Vettori is no saint. There have been times when I have been rather disappointed with his actions on field, like getting angry at a fielder when he's bowling, and he has said some pretty poor things, but that serves to polarise him as a player and captain for me. He may be overrated by some, but the hatred shown for him by others is a bit ridiculous.

Exactly.

I can be accussed of being a Fleming fanboy however a Vettori fanboy I am not and I think the crap he's getting on here is quite simply a load of rubbish.

 

[NZTailender]

I'm of the general view that Collingwood should have withdrew his appeal, but Sidebottom did nothing wrong. He went for the ball.

Out of interest, how long was Collingwood given to think about withdrawing his appeal? From the time the Umpire asked him to the time he responded.

 

[thierry henry]

I'm surprised Ricardo Patrese hasn't pulled you up for "avoiding the filter" given you've done this twice in the last five minutes (hyperbole, by the way) and Richard usually picks people up for that. Mind you, I shouldn't be surprised as each time you leave, he waxes lyrical about how much he misses you for a good half an hour.

Everytime you go... away... You take a piece of Rich with you...

lol

I'm immune from Richard's disdain

 

[Somerset]

I don't think you're being observant enough then

To me Vettori is quite conspicuous and over-bearing. Chronic over-appealer, repeat offender of not turning to the umpire, etc. Just because he wears glasses and is articulate, people think he is quite and thoughtful.

If hes an over-appealer, I hate to imagine your views on certain Australian ex-players in particular. What thats got to do with his captaincy goes over my head anyway. As I said before, just because he has a different captaincy style to a lead-from-the-front Shane Warne type or the successful (due to the players in his side more than anything) Ricky Ponting doesn't make him the woeful leader you make him out to be.

 

[99*]

Fair(ish) comment. Mills gives him a run for his money though....but he's a good ODI bowler for sure, more a container than a wicket-taker, but still good.

Indeed, fully agree.

Shocking over-appealer, you can pick an example from any game, only have to go back to the Broad dismissal from the 3rd ODI where he never turned to the umpire at all

And how many bowlers do this, far to common in today game to judge Vettori only.

Surely you jest?

No, he may not be the best in the team, but he is nowhere near the worst, the only thing I find poor with his ground skills is the way he runs.

Well, I can only assume you've never heard him interviewed

I have heard him many times since his rise to captain and never have I heard him push himself over any more than he deserved.

 

[_Ed_]

Daniel Vettori is no saint. There have been times when I have been rather disappointed with his actions on field, like getting angry at a fielder when he's bowling, and he has said some pretty poor things, but that serves to polarise him as a player and captain for me. He may be overrated by some, but the hatred shown for him by others is a bit ridiculous.

Well said.

And he's hardly alone in world cricket in displaying those less desirable traits. A bowler who just shrugs and accepts it when there's a poor piece of fielding off his bowling would be harder to find.

 

[thierry henry]

Patel has had so few opportunities and hasn't played a single test on the sub continent....calling him one of the worst players to play for NZ is ridiculous. Its almost like discussing a young fast bowler on a flat track in Sri Lanka.

Yeah...if a young SL fast bowler had an awful record in SL domestic cricket, somehow got picked for the national side, and proceeded to remain in the squad despite also being poor at international level, I'd make the exact same comment

 

[Somerset]

I'm of the general view that Collingwood should have withdrew his appeal, but Sidebottom did nothing wrong. He went for the ball.

It was a tricky one as Elliott deciding on the run particularly late. Of course Sidebottom went for the ball, it was just unfortunate that he moved into Elliot's line and prevented him from going any further.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I'm immune from Richard's disdain

Here's a question that the world has been wanting answered since time immemorial - as fundamental to the universe as the meaning of life.... Has anyone, yourself included, ever succeeded in changing Richard's mind about something without first having to at least bash their head so many times against a brick wall that their head has turned all soft and mushy??

 

[thierry henry]

If hes an over-appealer, I hate to imagine your views on certain Australian ex-players in particular. What thats got to do with his captaincy goes over my head anyway. As I said before, just because he has a different captaincy style to a lead-from-the-front Shane Warne type or the successful (due to the players in his side more than anything) Ricky Ponting doesn't make him the woeful leader you make him out to be.

I watch the Aussies all the time, I think Vettori is at least as bad. Generally the Aussies end up getting fined for it, Vettori does it routinely and gets away with it.

I'm not really concerned with his captaincy style, more with the example it sets when an average player with massive raps on himself is captain, and then conducts himself so poorly to boot.

 

[Flem274*]

Well said.

And he's hardly alone in world cricket in displaying those less desirable traits. A bowler who just shrugs and accepts it when there's a poor piece of fielding off his bowling would be harder to find.

Can only think of one who shrugs it off and thats Martin (Haven't seen Southee or O'Brien enough to judge their reactions to things going wrong). The rest (especially Mills) don't exactly take things nicely.