dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Pretty much my point itbt.
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Smudge
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Ha. Yes. The two incidents are EXACTLY the same, dyce...
Murali's dismissal was due to stupidity, Elliott's was due to a collision which he tried to avoid.
Let me know if you need some more help to distinguish the two.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
What colour clothes were they wearing? Having trouble distinguishing that crucial detail as well.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Seems to me that you need help with a lot of things...
Yes, I'm still hurting being knocked out of BOTM...
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
I'll be joining you shortly, no doubt.
In any case, I know they weren't the same. But it's not exactly about context and I wasn't stating that McCullum's incident was a precedent for this one. I was pointing out that 'the spirit of the game' is again being thrown around (does it even exist anymore anyway?) and regardless of what you think of Murali's intelligence, his runout was certainly against what is considered 'the spirit'.
It seems to me that teams only talk about the spirit of the game when they've been hard done by. FTR, as with everyone here, I agree that England did the wrong thing, but I also think New Zealand did the wrong thing against Sri Lanka. I'm not sure morality should come into it though. There's laws of the game for a reason, ignoring them may be more moral but it won't win you games and the fact of the matter is, they're paid to win games.
In the end, England ****ed it up anyway and perhaps it was a bit of cosmic justice.
In any case, I know they weren't the same. But it's not exactly about context and I wasn't stating that McCullum's incident was a precedent for this one. I was pointing out that 'the spirit of the game' is again being thrown around (does it even exist anymore anyway?) and regardless of what you think of Murali's intelligence, his runout was certainly against what is considered 'the spirit'.
It seems to me that teams only talk about the spirit of the game when they've been hard done by. FTR, as with everyone here, I agree that England did the wrong thing, but I also think New Zealand did the wrong thing against Sri Lanka. I'm not sure morality should come into it though. There's laws of the game for a reason, ignoring them may be more moral but it won't win you games and the fact of the matter is, they're paid to win games.
In the end, England ****ed it up anyway and perhaps it was a bit of cosmic justice.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
As a Kiwi I've got no problem with what Collingwood and England did, they had a chance to make a dismissal and they took it. I'd be distinctly unimpressed if New Zealand didn't do the same thing in that position. Wasn't too pleased that the rest of our team didn't come onto the field and shake hands either, quite childish.
Feel very proud of the boys though, and it appears that the Elliot incident inspired them and gave them some pride of their own.
Feel very proud of the boys though, and it appears that the Elliot incident inspired them and gave them some pride of their own.
biased indian
International Coach
3 channel available to show the game with the broadcaster....but this game was not shown live since we had the 2 great Asia cup games going live at the same time long with the wimbeldon..
does any one have any link to the incident....youtube !!!!!
Edit..got the link put by andy
does any one have any link to the incident....youtube !!!!!
Edit..got the link put by andy
biased indian
International Coach
Know its little late but just saw it now only
Hussain on commentary was correct.... call it dead ball...
collingwood had so much time to withdraw the appeal...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And sidebottam takes Elliot out ..both are on the ground when the bails are removed jump up and his arms raised..not so good son..at least u should have stayed on the ground
Hussain on commentary was correct.... call it dead ball...
collingwood had so much time to withdraw the appeal...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And sidebottam takes Elliot out ..both are on the ground when the bails are removed jump up and his arms raised..not so good son..at least u should have stayed on the ground
biased indian
International Coach
Collingwood faces ban
could be out for 4 odi's or 2 test or for a combination of both
could be out for 4 odi's or 2 test or for a combination of both
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Yeah. Despite the events of yesterday and his possible ban, still love Collingwood in every possible way
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Having watched a replay of the incident, it's obvious that the English are receiving a disproportionate share of the blame for what, in effect, were totally legal actions
Elliot attempted a suicide run
Sidebottom ran directly to the ball and did not change course (as he is legally entitled to do)
There was a collision (it does happen)
Another fieldsman picks up the ball and the wickets are broken with Elliot miles out
There's an appeal
He's given out
Would there have been this fuss if it had happened at ,say, a time when the Kiwis were being thrashed?
Doubt it - I can just hear the commentators rabbiting on about how the innings has descended into a comedy of errors
Would there have been any fuss if Elliot was run out by either Sidebottom or the cover fieldsman IF he remained on his feet (as he almost certainly would've been)?
No
What Collingwood did was harsh but fair
No-one wanted the game to be decided that way but, if it had been, build a bridge ....
On the other hand, Vettori's reactions were nothing short of pathetic
Not shaking hands is spur of the moment and childish
However, basically accusing Sidebottom of cheating by "laying hands on another player" was completely out of order
There, I've defended a Pom. Dont expect to see it happen again
Elliot attempted a suicide run
Sidebottom ran directly to the ball and did not change course (as he is legally entitled to do)
There was a collision (it does happen)
Another fieldsman picks up the ball and the wickets are broken with Elliot miles out
There's an appeal
He's given out
Would there have been this fuss if it had happened at ,say, a time when the Kiwis were being thrashed?
Doubt it - I can just hear the commentators rabbiting on about how the innings has descended into a comedy of errors
Would there have been any fuss if Elliot was run out by either Sidebottom or the cover fieldsman IF he remained on his feet (as he almost certainly would've been)?
No
What Collingwood did was harsh but fair
No-one wanted the game to be decided that way but, if it had been, build a bridge ....
On the other hand, Vettori's reactions were nothing short of pathetic
Not shaking hands is spur of the moment and childish
However, basically accusing Sidebottom of cheating by "laying hands on another player" was completely out of order
There, I've defended a Pom. Dont expect to see it happen again
Flem274*
123/5
Couple of good adjectives to describe you really.
Flem274*
123/5
Haven't seen the runout so won't comment yet. Woke up at around six in the morning just in time for the last over. I woke up very quickly once I realized what was going on I can tell you.
Sounds like both sides did their absolute best to lose the match.
EDIT: Seen it. Wasn't an intentional charge (Taylor did a fairly good hit on KP too btw). The runout was harsh, very harsh, but it was in the rules, same as Fleming and the bonus point and the McCullum run out on Murali (I haven't seen the Mpofu one). I would support a change in the rules because otherwise we will continue to see players play right to the limit of the rules which is completely natural for a pro sportsman or woman. However that isn't complete justification for what happened, same as the incidents where NZ were the ones in the target, so the NZ reaction (even McCullums) was perfectly understandable.
Tell you what though, we may have plenty of question marks over our batting but I think its fairly safe to say the NZ teams temper is a fairly good (and entertaining) one.
Sounds like both sides did their absolute best to lose the match.
EDIT: Seen it. Wasn't an intentional charge (Taylor did a fairly good hit on KP too btw). The runout was harsh, very harsh, but it was in the rules, same as Fleming and the bonus point and the McCullum run out on Murali (I haven't seen the Mpofu one). I would support a change in the rules because otherwise we will continue to see players play right to the limit of the rules which is completely natural for a pro sportsman or woman. However that isn't complete justification for what happened, same as the incidents where NZ were the ones in the target, so the NZ reaction (even McCullums) was perfectly understandable.
Tell you what though, we may have plenty of question marks over our batting but I think its fairly safe to say the NZ teams temper is a fairly good (and entertaining) one.
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andmark
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Yeah, those of us who have been talking him up as a batsman the last few years are finally being rewarded!
pasag
RTDAS
Four matches seems way to harsh for that. Punishment doesn't fit the crime.