Smudge
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Deadset the most bitter, angry ball of hatred I've had the unpleasant task of encountering on a cricket forum.
How exactly is the third-ranked side in the world "the most mediocre side in history"?
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How exactly is the third-ranked side in the world "the most mediocre side in history"?
FBU
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http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvnz/content/current/story/358030.html
I wonder if it will be Tests or ODIs.
I wonder if it will be Tests or ODIs.
Surely you could just put him on ignore?
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Nah - who could I get angry at then?
HeathDavisSpeed
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Scaly is nothing more than a poor, bigoted wind-up merchant. How he hasn't been banned like others of a similar nature, I don't know.
The_Bunny
State Regular
Haha Colly getting blasted, tbh I can see every captain in world cricket, (with the possible exception of Jarwardena) doing the same.
And dont see a huge differance between this and KP v Pollock in the 20-20 either.
KP was in if that collision hadnt have happened.
The bowler has the same amount of right to go for the ball as the batsmen does going for the other end.
For me Colly withdrawing the appeal would have been a hugely generous act, and not somthing that should be expected of him....
Other than that, pretty decent game
And dont see a huge differance between this and KP v Pollock in the 20-20 either.
KP was in if that collision hadnt have happened.
The bowler has the same amount of right to go for the ball as the batsmen does going for the other end.
For me Colly withdrawing the appeal would have been a hugely generous act, and not somthing that should be expected of him....
Other than that, pretty decent game
andyc
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Mr Mxyzptlk
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I don't think Vettori would have done it.
Then again, I just <3 Vettori.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Dhoni yes, Ponting yes, but they're "ruthless vatos."Haha Colly getting blasted, tbh I can see every captain in world cricket, (with the possible exception of Jarwardena) doing the same.
And dont see a huge differance between this and KP v Pollock in the 20-20 either.
KP was in if that collision hadnt have happened.
The bowler has the same amount of right to go for the ball as the batsmen does going for the other end.
For me Colly withdrawing the appeal would have been a hugely generous act, and not somthing that should be expected of him....
Other than that, pretty decent game
Vettori wouldn't have IMO, and Malik seems too soft to do it as well.
Graeme Smith, well who knows.
vic_orthdox
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Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Ponting or Dhoni didn't do it. They'd be accused of all sorts of hypocrisy, "Why would you claim that catch then?" and stuff like that, but I don't think you can say "He'd do it" or "He wouldn't do it" until they've been put in that situation.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Come on - its within the rules. I actually was under the impression that it would be a dead ball. I don't really understand why more bowlers don't run into batsmen on purpose and run them out. I'd certainly tell my bowlers to do it if they can make it appear accidental.
It's the fault of the people who make the laws, not Collingwood. You can't constantly tell people to win at all costs and then expect him to follow some spirit and choose an action that would be detrimental to his team. You just can't do it.
It's the fault of the people who make the laws, not Collingwood. You can't constantly tell people to win at all costs and then expect him to follow some spirit and choose an action that would be detrimental to his team. You just can't do it.
pasag
RTDAS
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Well, I didn't say it wasn't unfortunate. But why wouldn't you, as long as you aren't a total idiot and know how to make it appear accidental? Easy way to break a Test partnership of 150. The logical thing to do would be to declare it a dead ball, or have some other rule that prohibits it. Otherwise, we have to deal with players doing it. Players are brought up from when they first pick up a bat to try to win at all cost.
armchairumpire
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Archie, I think Colly did what he did in a split second judgement and I think Ponting probably would have done the same. Twenty20 hindsight is a wonderful thing
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
To be fair, he had two minutes to reconsider while the batsman was treated and Benson explained it to him, but he didn't.Archie, I think Colly did what he did in a split second judgement and I think Ponting probably would have done the same. Twenty20 hindsight is a wonderful thing
Mr Mxyzptlk
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It's impossible to outlaw everything that should not be done in the sport. What you're suggesting is blatantly against the spirit of the game and sportsmanship in general. It's not open to interpretation. If a bowler willingly tries to obstruct the runner, it's poor sportsmanship. And IMO it's worse if that bowler tries to make it look accidental.
vic_orthdox
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See, the whole problem with that is that there is unwritten customs that are generally upheld and expected by those who play the game seriously and at a high level. That's why disgust is expressed as soon as something like that happens. It'll take years and years of breaking down for this to occur, and the expectation of the spirit of cricket to be upheld in circumstances such as today's will remain.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Don't go there SS. Just don't.
I often agree with your opinions regarding professionalism and the commercial/marketing side of cricket, and how it hast to change, but your opinions regarding sportsmanship and fair play are ridiculous, and reflect a way of thinking in your sports culture, but not ours.
There's gamesmanship, i.e. delaying batting to get away with bad light, which already has its critics, and then there's just blatantly doing the wrong thing.
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Very interesting. I seem to be alone on this issue. I bet in the US, many would agree with me, so Jono is probably right, it could just be a sporting culture issue.
As I said before, a popular saying here is 'If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.' Obviously it is tongue in cheek, but what we're describing is not even cheating (assuming its truly accidental). So why are they getting flak for following the rules? As for being unable to outlaw everything - that's a copout that administrators use. I think you certainly can get very close to that.
A player ought to be able to use every advantage he possibly can to win. That's just sport.
If a bowler willingly tries to obstruct the runner, its illegal. However, the rules as currently stated don't say anything about accidental collisions. So obviously a player is going to try to push the limits and win the game. I'd rather win the game than lose with better sportsmanship.
As I said before, a popular saying here is 'If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.' Obviously it is tongue in cheek, but what we're describing is not even cheating (assuming its truly accidental). So why are they getting flak for following the rules? As for being unable to outlaw everything - that's a copout that administrators use. I think you certainly can get very close to that.
A player ought to be able to use every advantage he possibly can to win. That's just sport.
Sure. Usually in the professional era, those things aren't valued much though, let alone followed. As late as the 60s, you were expected to walk. People realized soon enough how idiotic it was to give away an advantage when it wasn't against the rules and they stopped. Cricket is unusually mired in a bunch of amateurish traditions even after becoming a fully professional game. I am not denying the existence of such customs, so I agree with you. I am questioning their necessity and their logic.
Do what you can to win. Period. Players have to be watched very closely to make sure they follow what's explicit in the rules to make sure they don't get away with it, let alone expecting them to follow some nebulous code of sportsmanship that no one can even agree on. People break what's actually written and we don't have half the controversy as this...it's ridiculous.
Burgey
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The problem isn't necessarily the action complained of here. If that's the way a team wants to play the game, then play it that way.
The problem as I see it is when something contentious or bordering on the unsportmanlike is then done to the team who wants to play it that way, they turn around and bleat about it.
And in saying that I'm not singling out NZ and England - we all do it.
Aussie players and supporters have a chuckle to themselves when something like Sydney happens and blokes get given not out when they hit it, or they appeal for things like the Dravid dismissal, but have a bleat if they think teams don't prepare wickets in a manner they perceive as fair, or when England used lots of subs in 05.
By the same token, the Indian supporters who went on about Sydney didn't say much about Kumble's display v Yousuf in the preceding Pakistan series, or when Tendulkar hit one and didn't walk in Perth.
Unfortunately, as supporters and players, we aren't consistent when comparing sleights which others perceive as being made against them, and perceived sleights against our own.
The problem as I see it is when something contentious or bordering on the unsportmanlike is then done to the team who wants to play it that way, they turn around and bleat about it.
And in saying that I'm not singling out NZ and England - we all do it.
Aussie players and supporters have a chuckle to themselves when something like Sydney happens and blokes get given not out when they hit it, or they appeal for things like the Dravid dismissal, but have a bleat if they think teams don't prepare wickets in a manner they perceive as fair, or when England used lots of subs in 05.
By the same token, the Indian supporters who went on about Sydney didn't say much about Kumble's display v Yousuf in the preceding Pakistan series, or when Tendulkar hit one and didn't walk in Perth.
Unfortunately, as supporters and players, we aren't consistent when comparing sleights which others perceive as being made against them, and perceived sleights against our own.