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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm not sure Mascarenhas would be as effective with the new ball in powerplay situations as Broad, Tremlett and at times Anderson against good batsmen. I agree that wayward bowlers will get smashed, that is no revelation, but surely you can be a wicket-taking bowler without being wayward ?? The very best bowlers do do both.
Absolutely. I don't think either Anderson or Tremlett are remotely likely to be either particularly wicket-taking threats or economical bowlers. Broad I'm still not sold on either. Trouble is, people pick them because they think they can take wickets, regardless of whether they can bowl economically or not. But in reality they mostly do neither.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Rich, which figures would you prefer at the end of an ODI from your opening bowler :

a) 10-4-18-0
b) 10-0-55-5

Just curious.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Absolutely. I don't think either Anderson or Tremlett are remotely likely to be either particularly wicket-taking threats or economical bowlers. Broad I'm still not sold on either. Trouble is, people pick them because they think they can take wickets, regardless of whether they can bowl economically or not. But in reality they mostly do neither.
That's fine, because that is your personal judgement on Tremlett and Anderson, rightly or wrongly.
Personally I would prefer a wicket-taking threat such as Brett Lee, armed with a new ball, that may concede a few runs, bowling a quick spell at the start of the innings with the aim of picking up a couple, a couple of overs in the middle not necessarily to be economical but to break a decent partnership before a series of quick yorkers, bouncers and the like at the end.
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Rich, which figures would you prefer at the end of an ODI from your opening bowler :

a) 10-4-18-0
b) 10-0-55-5

Just curious.
The former. Every time. Trouble is, it's not as simple as that. If you can bowl 10 overs for 18, you're almost certainly going to get a wicket or two gifted to you. Equally, if you've gone for as many as 55 the chances are you've bowled poorly and the wickets have come from bad bowling, so won't recur very often if at all.

It's not a question of figures, really, it's a question of what the bowler can do. If he can bowl in the right areas without swinging or seaming the ball much he can keep the run-rate down, if he can swing the ball and bowl in the right areas he'll probably bowl economically and take wickets. Very rare is the bowler who can consistently threaten in the one-day game yet is usually expensive. Mostly if you can take wickets you tend to be good at bowling economically too.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
BTW, think this is about the latest I've ever seen a specialist spinner brought on. 35th over. Wright's figures of 5-20-0 are extremely poor given today's happenings.

Vettori dropped, will it cost more than the Hopkins one did?
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Smithy not letting the "Irish captain" thing go, is he?

Would've loved to see Ponting's response if it'd been Porterfield & not Pratt who effected that run out in 2005.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Wouldn't it make more sense for him to prod for 3 or 4 overs then start trying to swing?

See Collingwood and Swann off then try and hit when the pace is back on the ball?
 

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Wouldn't it make more sense for him to prod for 3 or 4 overs then start trying to swing?

See Collingwood and Swann off then try and hit when the pace is back on the ball?
Mills has proven himself to be just as effective against slow bowlers though, I recall him hitting four consecutive sixes against slow Australian bowlers at the SCG...think Mr Lehmann may have been on the receiving end then. A lesser bowler than Swann naturally, but still.
 

Natman20

International Debutant
Its quite sad how NZ looked reasonable in NZ but are really very poor in England. Its quite an embarrassing series and very dissapointing. Our lack of depth has come out of the closet in both Batting and Bowling and the experienced players that are left are not the ones that are likely to consistently effect game results (except vettori).
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Mills has proven himself to be just as effective against slow bowlers though, I recall him hitting four consecutive sixes against slow Australian bowlers at the SCG...think Mr Lehmann may have been on the receiving end then. A lesser bowler than Swann naturally, but still.
Oh I remember it certainly, was almost the most unthinkable turnaround in ODI history. Nonetheless, Anderson is the likeliest to smash for mine and they'd do best try and target him with just 3 wickets left. Won't be easy if he keeps bowling at the blasted stumps though.
 

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