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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Last nights RAW actually looks pretty decent......interesting (and very good indeed imo) to see them introducing Lance Cade into the Jericho angle as some sort of ally, he hopefully will get a bit of a push now. This Jericho storyline is actually panning out pretty nicely actually, good to see him and Cade end the show having taken out HHH and Cena....lets just hope it continues.....first time in ages i'm actually looking forward to seeing RAW.

 
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duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I read the spoilers and it doens't seem too groundbreaking. Teaming Jericho with Cade won't last. Sorry to say it but a guy as bland as Cade will never get over. This draft couldn't come sooner for mine.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That's exactly how I feel :)

I love TNA. Wherever I can see Christian Cage, AJ Styles, Booker T and Kurt Angle perform is the company that has my support.

How unbelievable was that match between Team Japan vs Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin? Vince McMahon would never, ever have a match like that on Raw or Smackdown. That match was absolutely electric!

Loved Impact this week, great to see Daivari on TV as captain of Team International and I love the World X Cup Idea showcasing the best of international talent.

TNA have some of the best talent in the world, if only they can sort out some minor issues in creative and they'd have a great show from top to bottom!
Yeah the tag match was quality, as was most of the wrestling. Incredible to see a show where actual in ring action takes precedence over the bile WWE passes for storylines. Entertainment and character building can be done in the ring more effectively than on the mic because these guys are wrestlers first and not actors. Good booking and good wrestling can compensate for all the aesthetics E gives us to *** up the product.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
I read the spoilers and it doens't seem too groundbreaking. Teaming Jericho with Cade won't last. Sorry to say it but a guy as bland as Cade will never get over. This draft couldn't come sooner for mine.
Hmm i'm not so sure, I think if the E handle this well (which obviously is pretty doubtful) then it could turn out pretty well. There has been talk of pushing Cade for a long while now, and introducing someone new as a serious and credible character could be what the E needs to start freshening things up. Bottom line is though, that they need to keep him and Jericho credible, and like you say....knowing the E that won't last, but fingers crossed.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Thing is I felt Murdoch was easily the more talented performer of the two and also had the type of redneck look that could get himself a nice niche of support and stay over. We saw how badly he was handled and how the fans turned on him when he was pushed down our throats, really don't see what Cade has to offer apart from being trained by HBK and by default having Vince's ear. Doesn't strike me as more than a jobber. Would rather a guy like Punk or Carlito got a proper push tbh.

And I think I read somewhere that Danielson joined WWE and was doing dark matches for them? I'm going to hate seeing him job to guys half his talent level for the next few years, if he gets that much air time of course.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Thing is I felt Murdoch was easily the more talented performer of the two and also had the type of redneck look that could get himself a nice niche of support and stay over. We saw how badly he was handled and how the fans turned on him when he was pushed down our throats, really don't see what Cade has to offer apart from being trained by HBK and by default having Vince's ear. Doesn't strike me as more than a jobber. Would rather a guy like Punk or Carlito got a proper push tbh.

And I think I read somewhere that Danielson joined WWE and was doing dark matches for them? I'm going to hate seeing him job to guys half his talent level for the next few years, if he gets that much air time of course.
Yeah, I agree, i'd much rather see Punk, Carlito or ultimately Benjamin get the push, but someone new is better than old hat I guess, besides, Cade is the exact type of guy vince loves, white, powerful muscle bound, clean cut guy, so I imagine he will at least hang around for a while. Speaking of Punk, how the E have handled him since WM is shocking, he's been buried for ages now, why the hell they gave him the MITB...

and yeah I heard about Danielson as well, and yes, seeing him job to people like JBL (typical and probably example) will be hard to put up with.
 

Majin

International Debutant
Totally agree about the way Punk has been handled, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have him be consistently **** on the way he has been since WM, I really have no idea why they're doing it. Though ever since he won it at WM I figured he'd never win anything other than the ECW belt with it anyway so whatever.

Raw looks interesting indeed, I figured Cade was going to get a singles push but putting him straight in there out of nowhere was not what I was expecting but I like it, it's something new at least. Be worth it to see where it goes, and being teamed with Jericho is only a good thing 'cause he could get a hair dryer over. So will be interesting to watch.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Would love a Jericho led stable TBH. Is CM Punk ever going to make a heel turn? I mean he certainly doesn't seem as over as he once was, and I think now would be as good a time as any to give him a bitter run. Would also give him someone decent to feud against.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Would love a Jericho led stable TBH. Is CM Punk ever going to make a heel turn? I mean he certainly doesn't seem as over as he once was, and I think now would be as good a time as any to give him a bitter run. Would also give him someone decent to feud against.
Thats true, but the irony is, that he is still one of the most over people on any of the rosters. Interestingly I hear Cena got quite a big pop last night, bit out of the ordinary.

A Jericho lead stable would be good, I also reckon a good move would be to move Matt Hardy to RAW and feud him with Jericho, as he is mega over at the moment and has pretty much beaten all logical contenders on Smackdown already.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Randomly was searching my computer hard drive and found a copy of Bret Hart: Wrestling With Shadows.

Hadn't watched it in like 4 years, and in an attempt to continue to procrastinate from exam study, gave it another watch. Still really awesome.

That being said, whilst I don't necessarily (or in anyway) agree with the conspiracy theorists that believe this doco was set up by both Vince and Bret to pretend there was real heat and then have Bret **** up WCW as sort of a spy (lol), I do seriously find it coincidental that this doco was filmed when the screwjob happened.

On top of that, the conspiracy theorists biggest evidence is the random comment by Bret saying he'd trust Earl Hebner cos he's a friend, and he swore on his kids that he wouldn't screw Bret over. It seriously is out of the blue, as Hebner has no part in any of the film.

Just points of thought. Then again apparently Vince wanted to buy the rights to the doco to prevent him being shown limping and holding his jaw after Bret punched him and Brisco accidentally broke his ankle.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
*Sigh*, still love Bret so much but am coming around to the view that he wasn't the only one in the wrong with the screwjob.

Although I do think it was very ****ish of Vince to ask him to do a Main Event job in his home town against the most selfish SOB in the business and a guy who's gone out of his way to bury Bret and all of his friends in the industry, he still had to do it. The booking was terrible and he should've relinquished the belt well before they went to Canada but at the end of the day Vince is the boss and as a proffessional you have to do the job even if the guy you jobbed to wouldn't dream of ever reciprocating.

Problem with Bret is, he's too much of a mark himself, I think somewhere deep down inside he thought he really was The Hitman and not a guy who's playing a role. Sort of glad he went out when he did, he's too naive to deal with the politicking going around these past few years.

Also got the DVD at home but don't want to watch it, I feel too sorry for Bret, and the scene where his wife is going off at Shawn and Trips and they're pretending they were innocent parties in all this pisses me off no end.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I'm guessing you mean Vince wasn't the only one wrong? Yeah I agree with you. That doco makes me miss Bret, but in a way its sort of really shocking to see how into himself he was, but not in the Shaun Michaels or Goldberg way, but rather into how important wrestling, and hence his character was to him. Yes Montreal fans would have not liked to see you lose to Shaun at Survivor Series, and yes what happened to you was **** and wrong, but to argue that you would have lost your standing as a Canadian hero by jobbing is ridiculous.

I completely agree with you, his wrestling life and character became a reality to him, and the whole 'family values' thing, whilst I do believe WWE has became far too trashy, he was very naieve to think that the good guy always comes out on top was still going to work.

And yeah Hunter showed that he was an asshole far before he decided to never job and put talent over. To lie straight to her face, how disgusting.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah I meant Bret wasn't the only one not in the wrong over Montreal.

And all this talk about Bret makes me want to watch his DVD again. For any fans out there his WWE DVD was class, and although the story part of it was tinged with his own self-pity the matches on that set are off the hook. Eighteen of his very best on there, although they missed his match where he carried Yokozuna's fat ass and another sick match he had with Razor Ramon at the Royal Rumble.

But it's well worth it if you can buy it or find a torrent for it.
 

Majin

International Debutant
Also, Think Brian Danielson was trained by (at least partly) Shawn Michaels, so if he does get hired he won't get shafted that badly. Hell, look what it did for Lance Cade.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Just come across an interesting statistic....since 2002, every single PPV match for whichever world title has been on RAW (bar 2) have involved one of John Cena, HHH and Randy Orton...thats pretty dire when you think about it...

The only two matches that didn't involve any of these guys were Chris Benoit vs Kane at Bad Blood, when the mainevent for the night was the rubbish Hell in a Cell between HHH and HBK...

The other was at Vengeance two years ago when RVD defended against Edge, the mainevent on that night was DX vs The Spirit Squad...

Really highlights how rarely the E pushes someone new into the ME scene. piss poor.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Tbh I find that the least surprising thing to come to light, doesnt surprise me in the slightest tbh, and again, you get this in all sort of industries, not of which are particularly respectable.
Yeah, I think many of us have had our head in the sand about a lot of things (or were just naive young fans), but surely we all realised the women would receive no respect in the locker room (and that not many of them were ever looking for it).

Its a ****ed up business with red necks with very little education. They're not all like that, but remember where wrestling's roots were in the 60s before the Hogan era. It wasn't mainstream, it was aimed at a certain 'market', and they weren't the classiest people in the world, I'll just say that.

Sable, whilst being a money grabbing bitch, did mention the ***ual harassment she faced in the WWE (and she was the first real woman to make it 'big' and have any power whatsoever really). Then you've got Trish, who obviously would have faced **** but again, had enough power (because the WWE needed her at the time).

You've had stories of poking holes in the women's changing rooms, and I'm sure there's ridiculous amounts of ***ual crap that occurs.

Just the nature of the business. Doesn't make it right of course.
 

33/3from3.3

International Vice-Captain
Just come across an interesting statistic....since 2002, every single PPV match for whichever world title has been on RAW (bar 2) have involved one of John Cena, HHH and Randy Orton...thats pretty dire when you think about it...
More or less the same situation for Batista/Smackdown.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Hmm, ten days or so out of this thread and not much has really gone on to talk about. Your usual shtick for the period between WM and SummerSlam - nothing really going on, lots of slow-build storylines and meaningless PPVs.

Quite happy overall about the Cade push, he might not get over long-term but at least they're trying something new.

Hadn't heard the rumour about Cena being Drafted to SD, very interesting - but how would that affect the RAW title match at NOC? Also, can't help but think a potential move to SD for Cena is just preparation for Cena ending The Streak at WMXXV. Which I have no problem with whatsoever - it'll be one of the biggest moments in the industry's history, whether you like Cena or not.
 

Francis

State Vice-Captain
Hadn't watched it in like 4 years, and in an attempt to continue to procrastinate from exam study, gave it another watch. Still really awesome.
Wrestling with Shadows is a horrible documentary. Bret creates all this self-promotion for himself and the documentor is doing all he can to create this angle about how Bret is some Canadian hero.

For example, part of the documentary focuses on Steve Austin's rise in popularity and how it somehow shows a changed society where people don't recognise goods guys from bad guys. Yet if you read Bret Hart's book he'll tell you he was given the option of being a babyface or heel by Vince McMahon, and despite enjoying being a babyface, he wanted to be a heel because apparently Undertaker, Austin and Michaels (the then babyfaces) were safe workers. And I can't recall the amount of times he's said in interviews that he enjoyed being a heel immensely! Yet in the documentary he talks about how people turned their back on him, and how he was betrayed by his fans. It's wrestling! People will boo and cheer for who they like and it doesn't reflect anything about society's values. You can be a wonderful person, but you might enjoy seeing the bad guys win in a movie, and it doesn't mean anything because people don't take it seriously.

Other parts of the documentary, such as when Bret is talking to his dad about his 'modest request' not to lose in Montreal actually happened AFTER MONTREAL. The directly ever so sneakily put that part in before Bret was screwed to give the scene extra effect.

But, the worst part of the documentary is when Bret Hart says he'd prefer to get raped than lose the belt in Canada. "I wont let them rape me." I think the Canadian fans would have been disappointed had Bret lost normally with his back to the mat, but they would have gotten over it. They would have followed, and did follow, Bret to WCW. Yet Bret Hart talks about how that was the day where the murdered the Hitman character. Total crap! If anything Bret turned himself into a martyr after Montreal and people believed he was some good guy who got screwed over by a merciless boss.

Bret Hart has had to live with what he's created in the last 11 years. I've read 100s of Bret Hart interviews since Montreal, and no matter how many questions he got about other subjects, he always brought the subject of the interview towards Montreal, like he can't get over it. He complains people always ask him about it, but in truth Montreal was only as big a deal and Bret wanted to make it.

It's like David Campese's ****-up in 1989. It was a mistake he made and he got badly criticised for it. But after the dust had settled he kept on talking about it. In his book he mentions it in his first chapter at the end, defending himself. He talked about how if he doesn't receive the ball often enough, he feels out of touch of the game and makes mistakes. He talked about Lynagh's percentage tactics and how they weren't the way to go. He talked about how that 1989 side should have been more like the 1984 side.

I honestly think that moment is mroe infamous because of how Campo handled it. It's the same with Bret. Even if he was in the right and the WWE was in the wrong, he could have just said in interviews and documentaries that, "It's disappointing. I felt I was right and they treated me the wrong way." But instead he talks about how mean and vindictave Vince McMahon is. How he enjoys screwing people. How he was loyal and never missed a show, never injured people, had the best matches, gave his life to that company, and how they spat on him etc.

Wrestling with Shadows is an example of Bret being a mark for himself. Of creating all this good guy publicity. But years later he still can't get over it. He tears Vince McMahon to shreds in his latest book, taking every single shot he possibly could at him. I honestly believe he's added to his own unhappiness by making such a big deal over it. Later on, after Montreal, he suffered a really bad stroke which was a result of a mis-timed kick from Goldberg and the stress he was feeling in his life (Owen's death can't he helped). But he let himself became so dark and warped as a result of Montreal - he didn't move on with his life and its affected the quality of his life.
 
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