Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Now Im really confused. So you called a LAO ball an off break in order to avoid confusion even though it wasnt and spun the opposite direction?
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Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
okFFS, I hate the fact that bowlers bowl with different arms.
Anyway, it was a standard fingerspinner's break ball bowled by a left-arm fingerspinner.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Damn slasFFS, I hate the fact that bowlers bowl with different arms.
Anyway, it was a standard fingerspinner's break ball bowled by a left-arm fingerspinner.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Would not put it past Oram and Vettori to put on 100 for the 8th wicket
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I'm going to predict a 300 score, and say 311 ao.
How has he looked terrible? Any worse than how Taylor looked out there? He didn't looked like getting out until that unlucky leg-glance. However do agree Fulton should be there ahead of him.
Wanted him to do well, but considering how Redmond / How / (more criticism needed of) Taylor looked out there, this pitch is a minefield. Uneven bounce, swing, overhead conditions.
To be 206 for 6 with McCullum getting the highest score is more vindication of the conditions and good bowling, not so much how bad our batsmen looked.
It also looks like Sidebottom isn't bowling to the high standard he set for himself this innings, let's hope our bowlers do better than Anderson and Broad and I think we have a match here. More than likely a draw (with rain forecasted).
Prince EWS
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Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Given the players selected by the NZ team our pro Grant Robinson could be in the frame if he does well next season. 
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha, the pitch is hardly a minefield. You're right about the overhead conditions and the swing out there, but that has nothing to do with the pitch. The bounce was actually very true so I don't know what you're talking about there. The pitch is actually flat IMO; if we get some sun on days 2 and 3, the runs will flow.
Taylor look absolutely dreadful, and as I said, it was one of the worst innings you'll ever have the displeasure of seeing. Unlike Flynn, though, he's shown us in the past he has ability and justifies his selection.
Not only Fulton, but Hay and yes, indeed, Sinclair. You could even make better cases for Hopkins or Elliott (yes, Elliott!) playing as specialist batsmen. Horrible selection. I know you'll stick up for him when he gets bagged as you wish him well, but his selection was a joke.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
You'd have been well served to end the sentence there..
Anyway, good to see McCullum transfer his "improvement" to the Test arena, even if he did look a bit dire out there at times. I've really be surprised by the general reaction to McCullum supposed improvement in the last year or so, because he really hasn't done anything in Test cricket at all in that time - I think people were jumping the gun a bit with the way they were talking of him, and I certainly didn't think his promotion up the order was justified. Personally I think it's time for Oram to take a bit more responsibility with the bat and bat #5, but that's a discussion for day McCullum doesn't score 97 I suppose.
Yep, I'm sure Sir Hadlee must have had too much drugs while he sat down with the committee of selectors. I wish players rated by Hadlee well in their test debuts generally as I don't think they deserve to be bagged, as it means that the selectors should be ones getting criticism if that's the case.
Funny how a player can get bagged after limited exposure, yet another can look like "Sinclair nervous moments (Minties ad)" but because his reputation precedes him, it's okay?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Sinclair's selection was never a joke, though. Whilst he often played poorly when he got there, his selection was always just at the time it was made based on his excellent First Class record and, nearing the end, sheer lack of other options (the fact that Flynn is in the side now speaks volumes for that!!). In fact he was left out during his prime when he had a better case than some in the side.
Regardless of which, Sinclair certainly got his fair share of criticising posts during the last series - not least from you who called him a ****** on more than one occassion. The shoe is on the other foot now and you have to cop it, basically.
Flynn could well go on to score 5,000 Test runs - he's still young, so anything is within in his reach. We just don't know. What is clear to me is that a) he should still be behind quite a few batsmen he has leapfrogged and b) he looked pretty awful last night.
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S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
With Oram and Vettori there and Martin and Mills to come I think we could just get over 300. Im very happy with the recovery but our top order was not up to it. If we can get 300 we could hav a game on our hands with the ball in Southees hands.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Corrected.
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
oh yea sorry I meant Southee
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
To be fair, Martin isn't the worst runner between wickets ever. He could do a job at the non-striker's end...
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