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Halfpast_Yellow

U19 Vice-Captain
Ah well now we have the walking wickets Fleming-between-50-and-100, Sinclair, and Elliott out of the way, hopefully we can have Taylor and McCullum work on their averages a bit and show how it's done for awhile.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Elliott, worst NZ international of recent times.

Yes, worse than O'Brien.
Lance Hamilton not almost O'Brien-esque?
Don't forget Tama Canning and Jeff Wilson (the comeback version, the young Wilson was alright).

Matthew Walker, Richard Jones...
Andrew Penn.

Warren Wisneski

the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on





















and on.
Kerry Walmsley? Nah come to think of it he was slightly above this level. He was mediocre.
The 2000-2008 rubbish wanker NZ team:

1. Papps
2. Bell
3. Richard Jones
4. Sinclair
5. Elliott
7. McGlashan (wk)
8. Brooke Walker
9. Penn
10. O'Brien
11. Hamilton


We shall repress our memories of 'em.
Ah, the memories.

How about Grant Bradburn?
GAGFC. Sinclair is awes while Jones hardly got a lengthy run, and is certainly not the worst to play for NZ.

James Marshall and Paul Wiseman to replace.
Glen Sulzberger?
Paul Hitchcock.
:laugh: I challenge someone to put together 3 XIs of the nature of DoG's! You can do it, Kiwi boys! :p
 
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NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Loving the atmosphere of the game at the moment. Barmy Army in full swing.


Taylor absolutely CREAMS that one through the off side. Thank **** he's stopped favouring the on.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Been a fair while since the elder of the Harts played though isn't it? Last game I remember was in WC99, though I seem to recall he played after that (and I actually looked at his CricInfo page earlier today and can't remember :ph34r:).
 

pasag

RTDAS
Different to what? That's the only reason I'm ever happy for a player to be retiring. It's also the only reason I've ever been happy for a player to be retiring.

I hate the fact that people, especially sensible people like you, think I want players who once averaged 55 to stop playing the moment they no longer are, even if they're going to be averaging 45 for 20 Tests later on. It's unutterably frustrating, and so completely wrong-end-of-stick.

The truth is, though, times when players are "not up to previous standards but still worth a place" are actually pretty rare. You'd have to be a truly outstanding player (like the above example) for something like this to happen. Should Fleming have played another, say, 15 Tests and averaged, say, 30 in them, that to me would still represent not being worth his place any more, even though it wouldn't be disgraceful.
Seem to distinctly remember you say something along those lines before, where you were disappointed a players stats or their legacy was ruined despite them still contributing. Same reason you seem to hate Bangladesh having Test status - the stat distortion, as if that's all that matters. And cut out the 'sensible people like you' crap, I have no time for it and its implications.
 

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Chris Nevin was hardly the dangerous, attacking ODI opener it was hoped he'd be...and his keeping left much to be desired.

But he was probably a tad too good to be mentioned among some of these too.
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
Rubbish wanker NZ team 1990-1999 team please.
Darrin Murray
Blair Hartland
Blair Pocock
Mark Douglas (we have a surfeit of openers, so I'm spreading them out)
Mark Bailey
Justin Vaughan (our token all-rounder)
Lee Germon (wk, c)
Grant Bradburn
David Sewell
Robert Kennedy
Roydon Hayes
 

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Darrin Murray
Blair Hartland
Blair Pocock
Mark Douglas (we have a surfeit of openers, so I'm spreading them out)
Mark Bailey
Justin Vaughan (our token all-rounder)
Lee Germon (wk, c)
Grant Bradburn
David Sewell
Robert Kennedy
Roydon Hayes
Carl Bulfin carrying the drinks?
 

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