***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

[honestbharani]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/gillys-no-saint-harbhajan/2008/03/07/1204780064437.html

If this is true, then Hayden should sue this "irritating idiot" into the next stratosphere.

Academics generally regard racism as something perpetrated by those with lower intelligence (there are exceptions obviously)

Harby has just confirmed his lack of any brain-power whatsoever

so when Hayden says stupid stuff, it s the truth and when Bhajji says it, he should be sued??????????

 

[honestbharani]

Nope

Hayden basically said that he cant stand Harbajhan - join the queue

Harbajhan, if he said it, did something far more serious and Hayden would be well within his rights to sure for defamation

He called Harbhajan an "obnoxious weed" and there is as much chance of that being proved in a court of law as proving Hayden is a "big liar".. Anyways, there is no solid proof that Bhajji said anything in the first place, apart from maybe in your head where anything Australian s always right and others are always wrong....

 

[honestbharani]

Match referee acted on media reports and found no case to answer

If the ICC had ignored the reports, there should've been an inquiry into why

Healy was right about Dhoni's gloves and zero evidence has been produced to prove that Gilchrist's gloves were the same

Just the usual whinging

indeed... u SHUD know about whinging......

 

[honestbharani]

Firstly, given that I live in Dubai, am not a resident of Australia, and dont pay taxes to Australia, my ties to the Australian government are effectively ZERO

Secondly, you are referring to an argument where it was put forward that Harby might have used a Hindi term that sounds similar to "monkey."

Symonds said he couldnt be sure that it was definitely the latter

If anything, this shows Symonds as honest as he could could quite easily have stuck the boot into Harby by claiming that it was definitely "monkey" and not "maaki"

As for Clarke, who knows if he heard anything other than Harby?

Apparently, Symonds gave the weed a mouthful, the latter went away for a while, lost the plot and came back and called him whatever he did.

In the meantime, the ball was hit into the outfield, fielded and returned

Bottom line, is that it's hardly surprising that not all parties were involved 100% of the time

he could have.. ONly thing is there is no way in hell anyone could have PROVED that Harbhajan did say it. Symonds does lie and a lot... Try telling me that he was actually praising Ishant when he was bowled and then mouthed off, once again STARTING the exchange........



And Clarke was about the same distance away from Harbhajan as he was from Symonds and yet he didn't hear what Symonds said?????? Of course, we are talking about a guy who loves claiming bump ball catches and not walking when caught in the slips... The man even enjoys bringing down batsmen when the ball is well past and making sure the batsmen don't run and then doesn't even apologize when people who do the same even by mistake do that...... Man, I can see Australia's behaviour improving so much when Clarke takes over.......

 

[honestbharani]

How does highlighting this piece help you in any way, shape or form?

3 witnesses and no denial.

In fact, the only thing that Harby does offer is a feeble "No listen he started it."

And btw, why would the Australians even bother trying to frame Harby .

The guy was India's worst bowler in the series whilst Hayden and Symonds milked him for runs at every opportunity.

That is simply one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever put forward.

If anything, those guys should've launched an appeal NOT to have him banned

Witnesses being Symonds, Hayden and Clarke???????? Sure, they are believable...


Secondly, in the hearing, Hayden has denied that he heard the word "monkey"... So it might well have been that these guys were acting as Symonds cronies, basically......



And yes, they can appeall and appeal and appeal till the cows come home but they ain't gonna prove a damn thing because nobody heard a DAMN thing....... NOt the cronies, not SAchin, not the umpires, NO ONE... And yes, seeing how that particular trio have behaved, I do think there is more than enough doubt to suggest that they were deliberately trying to frame Harbhajan.



And as for motives, here is the best one: He was juz standing upto the bullies too much.........

 

[honestbharani]

Except, to be fair to Hayden, the judge at the appeal hearing described his and Tendulkar's evidence as the most impressive from any of the witnesses. More so than the other protagonists such as Symonds, Clarke or Harbhajan himself.

so obviously Hayden didn't hear him say "monkey" and yet said he did... That isn't LYING????????????????

 

[honestbharani]

Haha, are you serious? Half the Aussie team were calling him on it, were talking to the umpire about it and not ONCE did he deny it. You know what he did say? "But he started it". Oh lord... and all the bias' is supposedly Australia's.

Hayden, Clarke and Symonds are half the Aussie team???????????




Would that be due to size??????? I mean, given how big their heads are........

 

[biased indian]

While others believe it or disbelieve it because they are shills for one side or another.




This thread has been going in circles now, just ignore it and let it die.

Make it non Sticky and it will disappear into the second page

 

[honestbharani]

Are you okay? It is not about adequately denying it, it's about not denying it at all. What was his reply? "But he started it". Are you so whacked out you can't see what that means?

And please stop painting this clown as a victim.



Uh yeah, I kinda actually do start defending myself. Especially when it is a serious matter and especially when there seems to be a connection in the past. Yeah, I'd say any sane person would.



What are you talking about? I've been saying Hayden did something racist with his accent mocking, I've been criticising Symonds, etc.

Sorry, I am not on the board all the time nor do I post so often as to have to give my 2 cents on everything. But really, get a grip.




Except, you didn't say that. You said they went after him much like they went after Flintoff. Big difference, Flintoff was the threat, not the chink in the armour. Secondly, Australian teams have, confessedly, said that they go after the strong players. And what benefit would it do to go after someone who's position makes your team stronger?

Good one.

So the Aussies don't change tactics, is it?


They always say one thing and stick to it????????


And yes, Harbhajan said "but he started it", doesn't mean he accepted saying anything... When you are accused of serious stuff and when English is not even your second or third language and you are still not comfortable in it and are still learning, the words don't always come out in the right order.......

 

[Ikki]

So the Aussies don't change tactics, is it?


They always say one thing and stick to it????????


And yes, Harbhajan said "but he started it", doesn't mean he accepted saying anything... When you are accused of serious stuff and when English is not even your second or third language and you are still not comfortable in it and are still learning, the words don't always come out in the right order.......

Lord...

I am tired of this thread, but I'll give you a reply HB:

No, they won't change their tactic. Let's use some sense here.

The contention was that Harbhajan was attacked like other players around the world due to the threat they posed. There is a big problem here, Harbhajan hardly posed any threat. He was one of the worst players in the series.

Now you are asking whether they changed their tactic...so they changed a tactic used to win in the opposite manner...to lose?

Now, are you trying to make out that Harbhajan barely understands/speaks English?

 

[honestbharani]

You mean, there is no evidence but the testimony of the other Australians. And that the surrounding conversation that the stump mic did catch make him look guilty as sin.

CAre to explain????????

And the question is whether he said it or not. You just said in your previous post that you would believe Harbhajan over half the Aussie team who are capable of constructing a "web of lies". Are you serious? In the past I think I gave you a bit too much credit.

3 guys and two of them are known to have had earlier exchanges with Harbhajan and the third is indeed a guy who stoops to any level..... Sure, HALF the Australian side makes sense.....

Except, as Burgey keeps pointing out, Hayden actually had one of the most convincing testimonies?

And yet the parts that Sanz quoted out doesn't mean anything to you... It is not very difficult to be impressive when others have heard nothing... He still questions ALL the Australian players' testimony and basically casts doubts on them being true and yet you keep saying that he said it was "impressive"... Can't be a case of you choosing which part suits you from what he said, would it???

Again, your opinion means jack to me. Especially considering it doesn't make much sense.

Again, care to explain... 3 people accuse Harbhajan and 2 of those 3 keep saying they didn't hear Symonds say anything when it was so bleeding obvious that he did..... So judge doesn't buy their theory and even they are not sure what Harbhajan said. And yet, you think Harbhajan said what he was accused of... And then, it is HIS opinion that doesn't make sense.......

See, this is the disgusting accusation that I am trying to address. You are trying to paint the Aussies as aggressors, but not only that...but also capable of stooping to very low means.

All teams are capable of doing that. India may have done that in the past and may well do it again... Doesn't mean Australia CANNOT have done that in this instance....

Where did you get that from? Hayden may not be as nice as Tendulkar, but you are questioning his honesty? When was Hayden's honesty ever in doubt? Where did he ever go on the record to lie? I am not aware of this, help me out if there is some history there. I'll gladly rethink my position.

Hayden said Laxman is scared of fast bowling....... Isn't that enough lying???? He said other moronic stuff too, if you care to google enough, but off the top of my head, that kind of nonsense is enough... He said INdia were doing all this because they were losing on the field......... when the count was only 2-1 to Australia in ODIs.. And we all know how they got a series win in the tests........

LOL, so I HAVE to believe Tendulkar? If anything, the fact that Tendulkar said something made me doubt the whole thing. But there is a stack against Harbhajan that means more to me than Tendulkar.

That is upto you. BUt it would cast doubts on your credibility from others' point of view if you think Hayden is more believable than Tendulkar.... That is juz the way it is...

Here we go again...stoop to any level. Nevermind that India and, specifically, Harbhajan have the worst behavioral records in Cricket.

Australia make sure most of their nonsense is sprouted out through the media and therefore, generally outside the privy of the match referee... Also, India have copped some of the worst punishments... Specifically with regard to showing dissent after being dismissed.... I have seen so many Aussie batsmen, specifically, get away with similar things........

 

[honestbharani]

Lord...

I am tired of this thread, but I'll give you a reply HB:

No, they won't change their tactic. Let's use some sense here.

The contention was that Harbhajan was attacked like other players around the world due to the threat they posed. There is a big problem here, Harbhajan hardly posed any threat. He was one of the worst players in the series.

Now you are asking whether they changed their tactic...so they changed a tactic used to win in the opposite manner...to lose?

Now, are you trying to make out that Harbhajan barely understands/speaks English?

Did u NOT get what I said??????


Harbhajan, to this day, is still not comfortable speaking in English all the time... I thought that must have been obvious. And even now, sometimes he messes up the words.... And yes, you take it to the next level and he does have trouble sometimes comprehending really difficult, complicated stuff in English... NOt even sure if he would have come across "villification" before this tour.....


And yes, maybe Australia would have seen that the guys that possessed the most threat in the tour in the Tests were Sachin, Laxman, Kumble etc and since they KNOW they can't get under their skin, they may have picked Harbhajan... Esp. because they know that he is a big thing in India and when he loses his head, it might affect the entire team.


SEriously, mate, are you the one that draws up the tactics for Australia? How else can you be so sure that they wouldn't have changed it???? Didn't they go after some other guys during Lara's farewell tour in Australia? Did it mean they thought the other guys were bigger threats than Lara?????????

 

[honestbharani]

Symonds, Hayden, Clarke and Ponting. 4/11 players were questioning Harbhajan on the field. This isn't about the courts. I am talking about Harbhajan's reaction on the field to his accusers.

Ponting still maintains he didn't hear anything and was only complaining at the behest of his team mates.......................

 

[honestbharani]

Most reasonable people who exercise logic and have a basic understanding of human interactions and reactions will assume he did.

????????????????????




Most biased people would, though...... Which explains why you do......

 

[Ikki]

You can reply to posts till your blue in the face mate. I've already explained thoroughly. It's probably better you actually read all the posts before you reply because most likely other people have questioned inconsistencies to which I've already replied to.

Anyway, I've read your rant and it seems moronic to me, no offense. I do not for one second believe that Harbhajan did not say it and that there is a lack of proof - maybe for a conviction, but not for some common sense. I also don't buy the insulting theory that the Australian team got together and lied about anything in this case. If anything, they were so honest they got Harbhajan off - they're the ones that created the doubt. It was very easy to have made statements to mislead the case.

Harbhajan speaking English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fFP1UwRxSg

Everything else is BS which I am tired of responding to.

I'm just happy we won the Test series. And I look forward to us beating you guys on your home soil .

 

[honestbharani]

You can reply to posts till your blue in the face mate. I've already explained thoroughly. It's probably better you actually read all the posts before you reply because most likely other people have questioned inconsistencies to which I've already replied to.

Anyway, I've read your rant and it seems moronic to me, no offense. I do not for one second believe that Harbhajan did not say it and that there is a lack of proof - maybe for a conviction, but not for some common sense. I also don't buy the insulting theory that the Australian team got together and lied about anything in this case. If anything, they were so honest they got Harbhajan off - they're the ones that created the doubt. It was very easy to have made statements to mislead the case.

Harbhajan speaking English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fFP1UwRxSg

Everything else is BS which I am tired of responding to.

I'm just happy we won the Test series. And I look forward to us beating you guys on your home soil .

Let me see...


U are basically saying that IF they all got together and said "Bhajji did say the M word"... Bhajji would have been framed???????? Irrespective of facts and the fact that the Indians are denying it juz as strongly????? So we should juz bow down to the Almighty Aussies and offer them our vote of thanks for being humble enough to accept FACTS, coz if they hadn't, according to your post, they would have proved Harbhajan guilty inspite of the lack of evidence, is it????????



Here is the thing, pal... YOU may think that Harbhajan may have said it but most balanced posters here and most balanced people around the world agree that there is too much doubt. I am yet to hear your defense about the fact that Hayden was away from even the range of the stump mike and was yet able to hear what was said........ His ears so damn good now, huh? Almost think they must be as big as his head.....



And thirdly, as long as you understand there is no DAMN way to prove that he did say it, stop shoving your obviously biased opinions here.... And no, we don't need solid evidences as in a court of law, but we do need REASONABLE proof...... And that hasn't come from either you, or social or ss who are the only ones still posting this nonsense about Harbhajan................

 

[jeevan]

Lord...

I am tired of this thread, but I'll give you a reply HB:

No, they won't change their tactic. Let's use some sense here.

The contention was that Harbhajan was attacked like other players around the world due to the threat they posed. There is a big problem here, Harbhajan hardly posed any threat. He was one of the worst players in the series.

At the exact moment Symonds initiated the incident at Sydney - the situation was this:
Harbhajan had just finished his 50, part of an unexpected century stand for the 7th wicket with Sachin taking India to within a few runs of a lead. He had just complimented Lee on a good delivery to Sachin. (And his bowling had accounted for 2 top order wickets in the first innings).

So he was being a good cricketer and sportsman. (He had an indifferent first test in Melbourne, as did most Indian players - taking only 3 wickets in the second innings).

 

[social]

Rather than reply to all the stuff that's been posted, I'd merely like the Harby boosters why they support him so vehemently

Is it because of his unblemished record?

Cant be, he's got one of the worst disciplinary records in cricket history

Is it because he has no history of making racial slurs?

Cant be, he's done it before

Is it because he stuck to the same story from beginning to end?

Cant be, he changed it a few times (remember this classic - "I haven't done anything - we were just talking. It wasn't even sledging - it was just normal talk out on the cricket field. I was concentrating on my batting," )

Is it because he was such a credible witness?

Cant be, judge was hardly glowing in his praise

Or is it simply because of his nationality?

 

[Sanz]

And thirdly, as long as you understand there is no DAMN way to prove that he did say it, stop shoving your obviously biased opinions here.... And no, we don't need solid evidences as in a court of law, but we do need REASONABLE proof...... And that hasn't come from either you, or social or ss who are the only ones still posting this nonsense about Harbhajan................

Indded, It is just moronic to suggest that there is an evidence against Harbhajan. If you believe that Bhajji said it then go ahead and believe it but dont try to pass it as 'Fact'.

OtOH, it is a fact that Hayden publicly insulted Harbhajan, he even mocked Sharma which can be considered racially offensive.

It is a fact that Aussie crowd was hurling abuses @ bhajji throughout the series and at times those were racist in nature and tbh I dont see any uproar from aussie members who want Bhajji hung even though there is no evidence to suggest his involvment.

It is a fact that It was Symonds who broke the pact between himself and Bhajji and then cried foul when he got back in kind.

It is appalling to consistently hear about Bhajji's behaviour in Australia throughout the series, can anyone care to show any evidence that suggests bhajji's poor behaviour apart from one incident in sydney. Oh and please dont bring the links from 'The Australian' which suggests that Bhajji spat in their direction and also the pictures of him scratching his arm, it was just clearly disgusting to hear those accusations.

Really, I dont want to hear from those who wipe their arse from India's national flag or beat up Indian fans in the stand.

Aussie media and fans love to gang up against opposition players and they will stoop to any level to gain an advantage. Mcgrath using his sick wife as an excuse for his outburst against Sarwan, slater using his personal problem as an excuse for his outburst against Dravid and Now Symonds using his race to get an advantage is really as low as one can get.

Take a look at The Australian's headline today :-


INDIA remains in its almost constant state of denial over the poor behaviour of Harbhajan Singh, refusing to investigate widely published reports that he called Matthew Hayden a liar. and that is despite the fact that BCCI has already warned Bhajji to not make any more public statement on the issue. I mean what else you want the BCCI to do ? What did CA do to Hayden when They had a chance to set a precedent ? How can they expect Indian boards to take action against Indian players when they themselves failed to do so against Hayden.

Here is another :-

"...Cop that Harbhajan. Just when you thought you were home free, how's that for a pineapple up your jacksey. You thought Underbelly was rugged viewing . . . it's Play School compared to what is going to happen to you. We'll say it once and once only . . . no one messes with CA.

One press box cynic yesterday tipped that, as a result of the email, a shamed Harbhajan would flee India to Afghanistan and take residence in a hillside cave beside Osama bin Laden. He may never be seen again...."

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/money/story/0,26844,23345179-10389,00.html

This is after the tour is over, there was much more crap written during the tour. How can you expect someone to respond to that kind of crap.

 

[social]

. Mcgrath using his sick wife as an excuse for his outburst against Sarwan, slater using his personal problem as an excuse for his outburst against Dravid and Now Symonds using his race to get an advantage is really as low as one can get.

.

Sums you up really - criticising people because they have a wife with cancer, battling a divorce and depression, and being victims of racism

Anyway, what's the weeds's excuse for his behaviour? Or is he just naturally a prat?