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***Official*** South Africa in India

adharcric

International Coach
He has three weeks to recover before the first test and India should be taking South Africa very seriously. In case we end up leading 2-0 after two tests, I'd be alright with resting Dhoni and handing Karthik the gloves. Not yet though. On another note, Sehwag is a certainty at the top but Jaffer, Gambhir and Chopra are all in tremendous form at the moment. That said, Karthik should probably remain in the squad as reserve opener/keeper.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
He has three weeks to recover before the first test and India should be taking South Africa very seriously. In case we end up leading 2-0 after two tests, I'd be alright with resting Dhoni and handing Karthik the gloves. Not yet though. On another note, Sehwag is a certainty at the top but Jaffer, Gambhir and Chopra are all in tremendous form at the moment. That said, Karthik should probably remain in the squad as reserve opener/keeper.
First of all, Dhoni's form in tests has been extremely patchy and inconsistent. To me, his batting form in tests mean that he is hardly a certainty in the side.


That said, we all know how Indian cricket selection works and I am cool with Dhoni being in the side. But given his niggles and form, I hardly see why playing without him would be such a bad thing.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Do you want to rest him for his niggles or drop him for his form? If it's the former, he should be able to recover in time. If it's the latter, you're right that he's not a certainty yet but he's still done enough to deserve a good run as first-choice keeper. Playing without him wouldn't be such a bad thing because he's not a key member of the test side yet - but he should only be replaced by Karthik if it's really necessary.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
The thing is, if Dhoni has to be rested, it has to be now.. Can't imagine Chennai Super Kings resting him after having forked out that kind of money.....


Not the greatest fan of resting ppl from test series, but if he is indeed carrying niggles (as he himself stated), then it would make sense to rest him for the first test, at least.
DWTA. Players should never be rested from Tests, especially just so they can play IPL matches. Rest him for a few ODIs and make someone else captain for a few games if you must, but he shouldn't be rested from a Test.
 

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
First of all, Dhoni's form in tests has been extremely patchy and inconsistent. To me, his batting form in tests mean that he is hardly a certainty in the side.
IMO his glovework in this series in Australia has been far superior to anything Kartik has shown so far. So he would automatically be in the team as the number 1 WK in India.
Unless he has injuries.
 

ret

International Debutant
Tendulkar is doubtful for the RSA series!!!! ..... Ishant, along with, Bhajji and Yuvi, is advised rest for two weeks too

"According to the report, Tendulkar is suffering from tendonitis in the right hip region and will require a minimum of two weeks rest. Ishant is troubled by injuries to his toe and finger, Harbhajan has pulled a left hamstring, and Yuvraj's knee continues to be a problem. Yuvraj and Harbhajan could even have to undergo surgeries."

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/341471.html

this calls for a well thought out rotation policy .... fans will hv to get used to seeing some of their favs being rested for a series .... if the guys continue to play non-stop cricket then they could burn themselves out or get hit by injuries .... this also highlights the imp of having a decent bench-strength
 
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masterblaster

International Captain
Tendulkar is doubtful for the RSA series!!!! ..... Ishant, along with, Bhajji and Yuvi, is advised rest for two weeks too

"According to the report, Tendulkar is suffering from tendonitis in the right hip region and will require a minimum of two weeks rest. Ishant is troubled by injuries to his toe and finger, Harbhajan has pulled a left hamstring, and Yuvraj's knee continues to be a problem. Yuvraj and Harbhajan could even have to undergo surgeries."

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/341471.html

this calls for a well thought out rotation policy .... fans will hv to get used to seeing some of their favs being rested for a series .... if the guys continue to play non-stop cricket then they could burn themselves out or get hit by injuries .... this also highlights the imp of having a decent bench-strength
If this is the case, I'll try and select a team without Tendulkar, Harbhajan, Ishant and Yuvraj. Zaheer is also doubtful due to his injury. Lets see how this goes:

1. Sehwag
2. Gambhir
3. Dravid
4. Ganguly
5. Laxman
6. Dhoni
7. Pathan
8. Kumble
9. Chawla
10. Sreesanth
11. RP Singh

Doesn't look too bad there, we'd still give South Africa a good fight. Tendulkar being fit and available is always preferred. I hope they don't rest him for the test series just for him to play in the IPL. A test series should always take first preference.
 

krishneelz

U19 Debutant
1.Sehwag-------Career averages :50 / against SA in India 87 / against SA 41 (all grounds)
2.Gambhir------Career averages :32 / against SA in India 43 / against SA 43 (all grounds)
3.Dravid----------Career averages :55 / against SA in India 37 / against SA 35 (all grounds)
4.Tendulkar----Career averages :55 / against SA in India 30 / against SA 36(all grounds)
5.Laxman-------Career averages :44 / against SA in India 17 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
6.Ganguly-------Career averages :42 / against SA in India 23 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
7.Dhoni-----------Career averages :34 / against SA in India NA / against SA 26 (all grounds)
8.Kumble--------Career averages :28 / against SA in India 28 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
9.Zaheer----------Career averages :33 / against SA in India 57 / against SA 42 (all grounds)
10.H,Singh------Career averages :31 / against SA in India 23 / against SA 29(all grounds)


Based on past sucess


Batsman in (av >30 vs S.A in IND)
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Dhoni

Bowlers in (av <35 vs S.A in IND)
Kumble
H.Singh

Based on recent from (over last year)


Laxman averages 60 / 2x100 / 5x50
Ganguly averages 52 / 3x100 / 5x50

Zaheer averages 27 / 2x5


Hence in combination of past based test experience in india vs s.a. and recent form these 10 players should represent india

However dropping ganguly, laxman and zaheer can be justified

Other options include
1,Yuvraj - based on innings vs pak
2.Rohit Sharma - based on good form in recent cb series
3.Jaffer - based on 212 vs pak
4.R.Gavaskar - my dad says india has too much corruption hence
5.I.Sharma - based on good form in recent cb series and good spells vs aus in recent tests
6.Sreesanth - good test career thus far
7.Pathan - because he wants to be like wasim akram and we can all relate to that
8.M.Tiwary - look at those first class stats
9.V.Kambli - look at those first class and test stats - too bad retired
10. Yashpal Singh look at those first class stats- too bad ICL
11. Pankaj Dharmani - best indian keeper not to play for india
12. Pradeep Sangwan - best quick in u19 wc
13. RP Singh- Supreme in tests vs aus
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
That shouldn't be a surprise, they've always been his bogey team really. Was hoping he'd change that this series to an extent, but evidently he's in doubt.
 

ret

International Debutant
Tendulkar being fit and available is always preferred. I hope they don't rest him for the test series just for him to play in the IPL. A test series should always take first preference.
I guess, Tendulkar could be rested for the Ist test, if he needs rest according to that report. He can come back for the 2nd tests as it starts on Apr 3
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Tendulkar said today that he is ready to play the first match.
It is high time also now that india starts blooding badrinath for the test team and get akash chopra back.As well as gettin a long-term replacemen for anil kumble(maybe mishra)
 

adharcric

International Coach
1.Sehwag-------Career averages :50 / against SA in India 87 / against SA 41 (all grounds)
2.Gambhir------Career averages :32 / against SA in India 43 / against SA 43 (all grounds)
3.Dravid----------Career averages :55 / against SA in India 37 / against SA 35 (all grounds)
4.Tendulkar----Career averages :55 / against SA in India 30 / against SA 36(all grounds)
5.Laxman-------Career averages :44 / against SA in India 17 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
6.Ganguly-------Career averages :42 / against SA in India 23 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
7.Dhoni-----------Career averages :34 / against SA in India NA / against SA 26 (all grounds)
8.Kumble--------Career averages :28 / against SA in India 28 / against SA 30 (all grounds)
9.Zaheer----------Career averages :33 / against SA in India 57 / against SA 42 (all grounds)
10.H,Singh------Career averages :31 / against SA in India 23 / against SA 29(all grounds)


Based on past sucess


Batsman in (av >30 vs S.A in IND)
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Dhoni

Bowlers in (av <35 vs S.A in IND)
Kumble
H.Singh

Based on recent from (over last year)


Laxman averages 60 / 2x100 / 5x50
Ganguly averages 52 / 3x100 / 5x50

Zaheer averages 27 / 2x5


Hence in combination of past based test experience in india vs s.a. and recent form these 10 players should represent india

However dropping ganguly, laxman and zaheer can be justified

Other options include
1,Yuvraj - based on innings vs pak
2.Rohit Sharma - based on good form in recent cb series
3.Jaffer - based on 212 vs pak
4.R.Gavaskar - my dad says india has too much corruption hence
5.I.Sharma - based on good form in recent cb series and good spells vs aus in recent tests
6.Sreesanth - good test career thus far
7.Pathan - because he wants to be like wasim akram and we can all relate to that
8.M.Tiwary - look at those first class stats
9.V.Kambli - look at those first class and test stats - too bad retired
10. Yashpal Singh look at those first class stats- too bad ICL
11. Pankaj Dharmani - best indian keeper not to play for india
12. Pradeep Sangwan - best quick in u19 wc
13. RP Singh- Supreme in tests vs aus
Gavaskar? Kambli? Yashpal? Dharmani? Sangwan? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

adharcric

International Coach
1st Test: March 26 - 30
MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chepauk, Chennai

2nd Test: April 3 - 7
Sardar Patel Stadium, Motera, Ahmedabad

3rd Test: April 11 - 15
Green Park, Kanpur

Coming off a successful tour of Australia, India will face a stiff test from a new-look South Africa as both teams look to stake a claim as the 2nd best test side in the world.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Just have decent-ish hopes this might be a cracking series. I'm not particularly hopeful for SA's chance - I fancy India, provided they get the conditions they should, turning, pacy surfaces. And looking at those grounds, I think we can be confident for the first 2 games. Only games I've seen at Green Park have been very slow and offering nothing to bowlers of any kind.

But I don't think SA can be counted-out.

Let's presume the XIs go something like this...

Jaffer
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Laxman
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan Singh
Zaheer Khan
Rudra Pratap Singh

Smith
McKenzie
Amla
Kallis
Prince
de Villiers
Boucher
Harris
Nel
Steyn
Ntini

Harris is no Kumble, or even Harbhajan Singh. But he is someone who, on a turning surface, should be able to keep his side in the game. I'm presuming it's going to be SG balls, which, while better than Kookaburras, are still hardly swing-friendly. If, on the off-chance, they do swing for a decent time, both seam-attacks should be in the game, though I personally would fancy Steyn more than Zaheer and RP.

Ntini still, to my mind, offers next to nothing on pitches that don't offer movement off the seam and bounce. Nel does, but hasn't delivered on what I believe to be his true promise for several seasons now. And he's far from a guranteed starter.

Certainly, compared to South Africa's attack from 1999\2000 it's pittance. In Donald, they had the perfect bowler for... well, for anything really, and even though his figures that series were no more than decent, he played a crucial part. Pollock and Kallis also made vital contributions, and Boje played a big part. Harris can certainly do that, but Steyn - I've said it a few times - is no Donald. For starters, he currently lacks AAD's reverse-swing skills, though I'm sure he can learn that down the years. More crucially, he lacks the height and isn't, quite, as quick. And neither Ntini nor Nel are likely to offer the suffocating accuracy Pollock did. Perhaps a little of a shame he's not making this trip, but I understand his wish to retire at home. Steyn's role could be more like that offered by Mornantau Hayward on that trip, even though I'm sure Steyn has career aspirations far beyond Hayward's overall achievements.

And of course, India's batting is in far, far better shape than it was in 1999\2000, when it was in as big a disarray as I can remember seeing. Jaffer and Kaif on debut - and both at that point totally out of their depth - Laxman then Dravid makeshift openers; Ganguly totally out of nick; Mongia totally out of nick.

And as for South Africa... well, there's no comparison. For the last 2 years, pretty much, SA's line-up has had 1 player who's totally convinced me, Kallis of course. Prince is a decent Test player, Smith remains someone I have confidence in, Boucher is a good lower-order player. But Amla still doesn't convince me at all; McKenzie is not an opener; de Villiers is not a lower-order player (though swapping them around would be great... of course...). Compare it to 1999\2000, near enough every position was filled. There was Kirsten and Gibbs established at the top of the order; Kallis, Cullinan and Cronje in the middle; and Boucher, Klusener, Pollock and Boje, so batting down to nine. It was one hell of a unit, and even so Kumble and Srinath always threatened.

India's bowling-attack is better now, South Africa's batting-line-up worse, South Africa's bowling-attack not as good, India's batting-line-up better. Really, India should win this. :) Us South African fans can but hope.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I fear this series will be the Kallis vs Dravid show.

Thinking Jaffer will bounce back big time here too. Big things are expected of the bowlers now too. Hope they don't dissappoint.
 

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