Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[Turbinator]

Buddy, it is hard enough to find sense in your posts when you use words and sentences.
I am just not that smart - so why 61.25?
Why not 37.25? or 34.5? Or 19.33? Or better still 2-0?

 

[Burgey]

In both finals, Australia's best batting chance was during the substantial partnerships between Hayden and Symonds. In both cases , partnership was broken during Harbhajan's bowling , who accounted for both of them (2nd finals, Hayden to a run out that he was part of) . The second final happened at the homeground of these Queenslanders.

In case anyone missed this.

In India on his home grounds, HBS apparently called Symonds a monkey - he smashed the bowling in all barr a couple of games and helped Australia win the series.

In case anyone missed this.

Point is, sports people say things all the time (not saying they should btw, but it happens). Sometimes it back fires, sometimes normal service continues. Certainly Harbhajan bowled well in the finals.

Atm, it seems he is a better ODI bowler than test bowler, but I haven't seen too much of his test bowling apart from the series here. Would he be regarded as the automatic 2nd test spinner for India now, or would someone like Powar or Chawla be more likely to get the nod?

 

[social]

Buddy, it is hard enough to find sense in your posts when you use words and sentences.
I am just not that smart - so why 61.25?
Why not 37.25? or 34.5? Or 19.33? Or better still 2-0?

Harby's average in the important matches this summer

You couldnt have missed that, he bowled lots and lots of over for very few wickets

 

[biased indian]

Harby's average in the important matches this summer

You couldnt have missed that, he bowled lots and lots of over for very few wickets

But he got under the skin of aussies.. and won.....

dont think any one has done that together before

 

[jeevan]

Harby's average in the important matches this summer

You couldnt have missed that, he bowled lots and lots of over for very few wickets

And very few runs. Harbhajan has been a run-choking stock bowler for a while now,
and not a wicket taking striker. He averaged 34.5 in this tournament, inspite of this.

You are perhaps referring to the tests, in which he was ineffective with the ball (except for Ponting) but good enough with the bat for Symonds to have to resort to non-cricketing means of tackling Harbhajan.

(61.25 still puts him on approximate par with Ishant Sharma and Hogg, and way ahead of every SriLankan bowler. So all we've established is that Harbhajan is something of an average bowler while bowling in Australia - that is hardly news).

 

[social]

But he got under the skin of aussies.. and won.....

dont think any one has done that together before

Won what exactly?

England beat the world champs in ODIs last year, who cares now?

NZ beat the world champs in ODIs last year, who cares now?

Australia beat the world champs in 20/20, who cares now?

The CB series was great for the development of some of the young Indian players, but in the overall scheme of things, it doesnt matter a jot

 

[social]

But he got under the skin of aussies.. and won.....

dont think any one has done that together before

Won what exactly?

England beat Australia in ODIs last year and that became totally irrelevant when Australia won the World Cup

NZ beat Australia in ODIs last year and that became totally irrelevant when Australia won the World Cup

Australia beat India in the 20/20 this year and that istotally irrelevant because India won the World Champs

TheCB series was great for India because they developed some young players - the result will only be relevant so long as the media hypes it up

 

[social]

And very few runs. Harbhajan has been a run-choking stock bowler for a while now,
and not a wicket taking striker. He averaged 34.5 in this tournament, inspite of this.

You are perhaps referring to the tests, in which he was ineffective with the ball (except for Ponting) but good enough with the bat for Symonds to have to resort to non-cricketing means of tackling Harbhajan.

(61.25 still puts him on approximate par with Ishant Sharma and Hogg, and way ahead of every SriLankan bowler. So all we've established is that Harbhajan is something of an average bowler while bowling in Australia - that is hardly news).

IMO, Harbajhan is like Kaneria - very promising start to career has now given way to mediocrity in all conditions because of technical deficiencies and lack of variation

In short, virtually every batsman in the world has worked him out and simply pick the runs off without him appearing particularly threatening

Yes, he's accurate but quality bowlers also take wickets

BTW, Ishant is totally different - he looks like taking wickets

 

[jeevan]

IMO, Harbajhan is like Kaneria - very promising start to career has now given way to mediocrity in all conditions because of technical deficiencies and lack of variation

In short, virtually every batsman in the world has worked him out and simply pick the runs off without him appearing particularly threatening

Yes, he's accurate but quality bowlers also take wickets

BTW, Ishant is totally different - he looks like taking wickets

Harbhajan is as ordinary as Kaneria, can agree with that. I can see him lose his spot to someone like Powar (perhaps not Powar himself)

Ishant example was exactly to illustrate how misleading stats can be.

 

[biased indian]

Won what exactly?

England beat the world champs in ODIs last year, who cares now?

NZ beat the world champs in ODIs last year, who cares now?

Australia beat the world champs in 20/20, who cares now?

The CB series was great for the development of some of the young Indian players, but in the overall scheme of things, it doesnt matter a jot

i care

hope you have no problem with that !!!!!

 

[biased indian]

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In short, virtually every batsman in the world has worked him out and simply pick the runs off without him appearing particularly threatening

And still he was the best indian bowler ER wise

 

[R_D]

I want to see another interview of Hayden and see what he has to say now.

Its no suprise.. Harbhjan hasn't been able to buy a wicket in ODI for long time... he did well to take Symmonds and Hayden. He hasn't even been taking wickets in India.. hopefully he gets kicked out soon, always thought he was useless and only causing controversies for no reason.

 

[Precambrian]

IMO, Harbajhan is like Kaneria - very promising start to career has now given way to mediocrity in all conditions because of technical deficiencies and lack of variation

In short, virtually every batsman in the world has worked him out and simply pick the runs off without him appearing particularly threatening

Yes, he's accurate but quality bowlers also take wickets

BTW, Ishant is totally different - he looks like taking wickets

Harby is an off spinner who takes wickets mainly in the sub continent conditions. The truth is that no finger spinner has done particularly well in tests in Australia for a long time for absence of helpful conditions. (Murali being a wristy also has not done well). So ranking him as bad just because he has not perfromed well in Australia is just not right.

It's like saying ponting is not a good batsman beacuse he averages a pitiable 12 in India 8 test matches.

Cometh October, when the Aussies tour India, the wickets, spectators and Harby will be ready. Guaranteed it will be the toughest tour aussies will be having in a long time, since 2005 ashes. It does not help that there is no frontline spinner also in sight.

I think Harby came out in flying colors in this tour. he was unfairly targeted by the Aussie media for monkey-episode when what actually he said was "maa-ki" (which still is an insult but no way worse than the bastard). He retained his cool in the field and made Hayden look really stupid. (Hayden was telling the radio that maybe it's beacuse indians arent winning they are complaining).

 

[Precambrian]

Lol, how the Aussie fans here forget how comprehensively Bhajji owned the Aussies in the 01 tour to India?

Ponting said the Ishant Sharma spell to him in Perth was the best he faced in his career. i agree to that, because in 2001, he was hardly out in the middle for one over, leave alone a single spell.

 

[Burgey]

Lol, how the Aussie fans here forget how comprehensively Bhajji owned the Aussies in the 01 tour to India?

Ponting said the Ishant Sharma spell to him in Perth was the best he faced in his career. i agree to that, because in 2001, he was hardly out in the middle for one over, leave alone a single spell.

Made up for it in the WC final in 03 though, didn't he?

And his poor test form isn't limited to Australia either. Certainly his ODI stuff has been pretty good, but I wonder whether he'll still be the net chosen after Kumble for tests, as opposed to ODIs.

It's a fair way off anyways. Plenty can happen re. form etc before then.

 

[Precambrian]

Made up for it in the WC final in 03 though, didn't he?

And his poor test form isn't limited to Australia either. Certainly his ODI stuff has been pretty good, but I wonder whether he'll still be the net chosen after Kumble for tests, as opposed to ODIs.

It's a fair way off anyways. Plenty can happen re. form etc before then.

Ooops, We are mixing up tests on ODIs here a bit, arent we? Any spinner's approach to ODI game is vastly different from the test matches. Also, the series was played in India and the WC in SA.

It's a bit like saying Yuvraj's 139 in 2003 series means he has done well against Australia. Or his recent 100 in India, or his 20-20 blitzkrieg, while the fact remains he has been troubled like hell by Aussie bowlers.

 

[Burgey]

Ooops, We are mixing up tests on ODIs here a bit, arent we? Any spinner's approach to ODI game is vastly different from the test matches. Also, the series was played in India and the WC in SA.

It's a bit like saying Yuvraj's 139 in 2003 series means he has done well against Australia. Or his recent 100 in India, or his 20-20 blitzkrieg, while the fact remains he has been troubled like hell by Aussie bowlers.

Please. Yuvraj Singh is not fit to tie Ponting's shoe laces as a batsman. Must say it's the only time I've heard them compared with each other.

Fine then, happy to say Ponting's more than made it up in his career since 01 - of course, he wasn't there much in 04 when the Aussies won the series pretty handily.

Certainly though, if India wish to carry Harby just because he's troubled Ponting but few other batsmen in recent times, then they must be worried about what Ponting will do, which seems odd given Ponting's history in India. Since 2004/5, Singh's had a good series v SL and a good series v a very poor WI side in WI. Aside from those two series, in the past 3 years he's had series bowling averages of 41, 33, 31, 48, 44, 61.
I just wonder whether they may give someone like Chawla or Powar a go ahead of him in the tests.

 

[Precambrian]

I was hardly comparing Yuvi with Ponting (though comparing their weakness against spin would be a good one).

Yep, since Harby is largely ineffective outside spin dens, it is imperative that India still has to rely on Wily OId Fox Kumble. Consistent wins overseas can be assured only if you have a quality wrist spinner in your side. Shane Warne for Australia, Murali for SL, Kumble for India etc. Piyush is an exciting prospect. But he is just 19. Yes, I think heshould be allowed as understudy in future test sereis to anil, and increase the "spin" of his leg breaks. He has got a very good googly, and really dominated Kevin Pietersen in the ODI series in England last summer.

While Bhajji is OK for ODIs (He's handy with the bat), he is never First Choice for Test matches. He has his task cut out in the nest 2 years. Serve as second spinner to Kumble in tests. And do the choking job in ODIs. By that time I hope Piyush evolves better and is drafted into the Test Eleven.

 

[sirdj]

I can see him lose his spot to someone like Powar (perhaps not Powar himself).

Unless Powar goes on a diet!!!

 

[Precambrian]

I thought the age of the Boons, the Ranatungas were over.

Suddenly appears Powar and Ryder.(And the Red-back who played for Australia in the kualalumpur Tri Series, forget his name). All is not lost!