Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[Smudge]

Listen to the link posted earlier in this thread and it'll be the second time you've heard of it...

 

[Ikki]

another way to put that would be that saying someone a monkey is NOT racism and is like the 'friendly banter' as defined by the OZ. it's not even as bad as someone the f-word [which is not bad for some at all]

cheers

That could have been a viable excuse except that Symonds already objected to being called a monkey in India where fans were making monkey noises/impersonations.

 

[Dusty Lee]

Well Hayden didn't excatly smother himself in glory there did he. It's a bit hypocritical of him, he was one of the witnesses in the harbahjan/symmonds monkey incident and he chipped Harbahjan on the field and told him it was racial vilification and then he mocks a man from a different race about his accent. Poor form there Hayden. Perhaps he should have recieved a similar fine to what Harbahjan did.

I have withdrawn my earlier post saying he shouldn't have got in trouble for telling the truth, after listening to the interview maybe he did get off lightly.

 

[Ikki]

That's exactly it. He thinks hit **** don't stink. One of the most arrogant cricketers I can think of. And the way he said exactly what the DJs wanted was disgraceful.

Wish someone would show him a photo of his face when he shouldered arms to Ambrose a decade or so ago. He can try and bully a 19 year old (and he's been worked over by him previously too!), but Ambrose would give him a touch-up, whether it be on a cricket pitch or in the ring. Don't think he'd be throwing too many boxing invites to big old Curtley.

He'd probably flatten Curtley to be honest.

 

[Ikki]

Was pointing out the black/white double standard, but I'm sure you know that.

I know, I was jk.

 

[Ikki]

If the law is going to take into account every single word that is found offensive for every single person, we won't see anyone talking to opponents in the cricket field again.


As I said, Lehmann's comments show an obvious racial villification of a whole country and its cricketers BASED on their skin color, whereas what Harbhajan "allegedly" said can still be argued that it was said with absolutely no racist intent... It may be a racist comment according to Symonds but there is real good ground to consider that Harbhajan didn't mean it in that way.... I don't know why you can't figure out the difference because Lehmann did use the word "black" and it is obvious he was denigerating a whole nation or at least its cricket team on the basis of race but with Harbhajan, he wasn't doing anything of the sort. IT was a comment made to ONE individual comparing him to an animal and he has a track record of having been friendly with a number of guys of the same descent..... Don't understand how a lawyer can't shoot holes if that case came to court. I understand why someone like Symonds may consider it racially abusive and insulting but as I said, unlike the Lehmann case, there is no black and white proof here that Harbhajan did mean to insult him racially... And the same with the Indian crowds..

Here we go again, you trying to squeeze out the "we didn't know monkey was racist remark". First of all, it really is a crappy argument. Second, Symonds already made clear in India how he felt about it.

If Harbhajan called Symonds a monkey then that is racist. End of discussion.

 

[honestbharani]

He'd probably flatten Curtley to be honest.

I think Curtley would kick him all the way to the beach, tbh. Sorry, Curtly is juz too awesome...

 

[adharcric]

He'd probably flatten Curtley to be honest.

Haha, come on now.

 

[Ikki]

U might wanna do that too??????


Remember Hayden saying Laxman was scared of fast bowling.... Remember Hayden telling he will play the Indian seamers very easily by walking down the track to them... Remember Hayden mentioning all other sorta nonsense before each series.....


Seriously, do try to take a look at BOTH their history. Juz because what Hayden does doesn't get him fines and reprimands doesn't mean he has been an angel...


And yes, anyone who makes fun of a person's accent is a monkey. How the hell can that NOT be considered as racism???

And your examples even compare to what Harbhajan has done? What a joke.

 

[honestbharani]

Here we go again, you trying to squeeze out the "we didn't know monkey was racist remark". First of all, it really is a crappy argument. Second, Symonds already made clear in India how he felt about it.

If Harbhajan called Symonds a monkey then that is racist. End of discussion.

First of all, I didn't say we didn't know monkey is racist. Read again. What I said was that while it may be a racist insult in their eyes, it may not necessarily have been meant in that manner. There are a thousand connotations to calling someone a "monkey" but when you call a whole team and in effect, a whole country "black c***s", there is very little doubt as to your intentions. That was my point. If you read my subsequent posts, you will see I agree those need to banned.

 

[Ikki]

The same Indian public who chat Lara or Richards' name everytime they visit the country. Surely, they are not idiots who think that Symonds and these guys come from different backgrounds...

So? Australians like Sachin, Lara and everybody else too. What makes your crowd special? Does this mean you won't ever be racist?

Back in the day Joe Louis was heavy-weight champion and got the respect of even white men. But to conclude that America was still not racist to blacks is to be blind.

Face it, Symonds gets such reactions because he acts like one... Others who know how to behave get on just fine with Indians. I agree it is a racist thing to do, but to show that it was intended to be that way would be a stretch, esp. given the track record of African and West Indian team receptions in India..... I am not for a moment saying it is right.. It was wrong and it should be banned, but whatever Hayden is saying is just as bad. That was the point all along.

No, I don't think Symonds did anything to warrant being attacked with racial remarks.

What history of reception? Who gives a crap what the reception was? What, you only like blacks that play Cricket well? Next you're going to tell me Gavaskar wasn't racist in his book.

 

[biased indian]

And your examples even compare to what Harbhajan has done? What a joke.

you still support what hayden told on Radio.....

 

[honestbharani]

And your examples even compare to what Harbhajan has done? What a joke.

U talked about respect for a cricketer among other cricketers from other teams.. These sort of statements hardly get you any respect...... And yes, his poor form in the media is to me the same as Harbhajan's poor form in terms of behaviour on the field. Haven't seen him have bad days against Sri Lanka, Windies etc.. He does sledge but so does McGrath and he is in no way worse than him when it comes to unprovocated sledging. The only thing is he does lose it when he gets provoked and ends up saying or doing things that he might have not done.... And, yes, in terms of being respected around the cricket world, as Harbhajan himself pointed out, Hayden is juz as bad as Harbhajan.

 

[Ikki]

I think Curtley would kick him all the way to the beach, tbh. Sorry, Curtly is juz too awesome...

Hahaha, you're dreamin'.

Haha, come on now.

A tall skinny guy is going to beat a tall muscular guy. I get it.

 

[honestbharani]

So? Australians like Sachin, Lara and everybody else too. What makes your crowd special? Does this mean you won't ever be racist?

Back in the day Joe Louis was heavy-weight champion and got the respect of even white men. But to conclude that America was still not racist to blacks is to be blind.




No, I don't think Symonds did anything to warrant being attacked with racial remarks.

What history of reception? Who gives a crap what the reception was? What, you only like blacks that play Cricket well? Next you're going to tell me Gavaskar wasn't racist in his book.

Not sure what you are getting at here... Lara and Richards got the receptions they did not just because they were good cricketers, but more importantly, because they were great ambassadors who play the game in the right spirit. Ok, not so sure abt Viv, but definitely Lara... You won't see Nel get much from the Indian crowds either... There is a way to conduct yourself in public when touring countries and the way Symonds went about things in India made sure he was going to be hated, he was juz stupid throughout.. Firstly, yelling things at how India were celebrating, then getting into arguments with Sachin (whose shoes he couldn't even lick as a cricketer or as a person, IMHO).. When people like Sachin lose their cool dealing with someone like Symonds, you know the problem is with them too, not juz the crowd. It takes two to tango.

 

[Ikki]

you still support what hayden told on Radio.....

Do I?

 

[Smudge]

Could we please get past the childish debate of who would win in a fight between Curtly Ambrose and Matthew Hayden?



Surely they'd settle it with a good old-fashioned "shoe over the pub" contest?

 

[honestbharani]

Hahaha, you're dreamin'.



A tall skinny guy is going to beat a tall muscular guy. I get it.

An Aussie losing to somone?????? I get it...



Can't happen

 

[Ikki]

U talked about respect for a cricketer among other cricketers from other teams.. These sort of statements hardly get you any respect...... And yes, his poor form in the media is to me the same as Harbhajan's poor form in terms of behaviour on the field. Haven't seen him have bad days against Sri Lanka, Windies etc.. He does sledge but so does McGrath and he is in no way worse than him when it comes to unprovocated sledging. The only thing is he does lose it when he gets provoked and ends up saying or doing things that he might have not done.... And, yes, in terms of being respected around the cricket world, as Harbhajan himself pointed out, Hayden is juz as bad as Harbhajan.

Saying another player is scared of fast bowling or being ****y about victory is not abuse. You've lost all perspective. Harbhajan equal to Hayden? Yeah, sure.

 

[Ikki]

An Aussie losing to somone?????? I get it...

Can't happen

Unlike you, I don't go that far. Like, I won't ignore racism just because my countrymen are involved.

And in this case, you could have said Warne and I would have agreed. But Hayden, or Symonds? No way would Curtley flatten them. Dreamin'.