IPL criticisms

[GIMH]

Oh yes, it gets fiddled but the rules state that they can't.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

People seem to be getting a bit carried away with this 'EPL' (ugh, that makes me feel sick writing that, I know it's inevitable abroad, but to see our top division reduce to a three intials just seems horrible. Bring back Division One, which reflected it's meaning better) comparison. The Premiership is the top league of (literally) hundreds; theoretically any side could play in the Premiership after a number of years. Plus the teams are clubs and not franchises and are in that way identical to a club in Spain or Italy or Azerbaijan. They have a history, they have long-term fans and deep-lying traditions. Club football has run in harmony with international football for a century now, with relatively few problems. Using English football as a precedent for something like the IPL is very dangerous.

 

[silentstriker]

It takes time for traditions and such to build up. No one is claiming the fans will support their franchise with that much ferocity day one.

 

[GIMH]

TBH I hate the term franchise in relation to sports...says it all really.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

It takes time for traditions and such to build up. No one is claiming the fans will support their franchise with that much ferocity day one.

Oh no, but clubs have grown from very small beginnings - these teams have just been created as multi-million dollar sides. So rather than building a fan base, it will try to produce one automatically. It may take 10, 20 years before there's a proper fan culture, and cricket has never, ever seen proper fan culture, ever.

 

[Cevno]

Oh no, but clubs have grown from very small beginnings - these teams have just been created as multi-million dollar sides. So rather than building a fan base, it will try to produce one automatically. It may take 10, 20 years before there's a proper fan culture, and cricket has never, ever seen proper fan culture, ever.

They grew from smaller fan bases at a time when their was no thing as sport marketability.
But the fanbase of english premier league multiplied manifolds after the premiership was launched and marketed prooperly.
They had a running start and history but this is starting from a standing start ,so needs time.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

They grew from smaller fan bases at a time when their was no thing as sport marketability.
But the fanbase of english premier league multiplied manifolds after the premiership was launched and marketed prooperly.
They had a running start and history but this is starting from a standing start ,so needs time.

All I'm stressing is that this isn't club cricket - it's franchise cricket and therefore comparisons with English football should be avoided.

 

[GIMH]

AWTAa

 

[Cevno]

All I'm stressing is that this isn't club cricket - it's franchise cricket and therefore comparisons with English football should be avoided.

So how doy reckon EPl where the term "clubs" is used is disimlar to the NBA where the term "franchise" is used?

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

So how doy reckon EPl where the term "clubs" is used is disimlar to the NBA where the term "franchise" is used?

Think you may have explained that yourself...

If the NBA uses the term 'franchise' as the MBL/NFL do, the franchise awarded by the league, like the IPL franchises were. Club sides were promoted and relegated - my local side, Chester, could effectively be in the Premiership in four years' time if they wanted to. Therefore the whole system is different. Effectively, my local village team is on the same league ladder as Arsenal or Chelsea.

 

[GIMH]

Think you may have explained that yourself...

If the NBA uses the term 'franchise' as the MBL/NFL do, the franchise awarded by the league, like the IPL franchises were. Club sides were promoted and relegated - my local side, Chester, could effectively be in the Premiership in four years' time if they wanted to. Therefore the whole system is different. Effectively, my local village team is on the same league ladder as Arsenal or Chelsea.

Come on JJ, let's not get silly. Jester are a joke lol

 

[silentstriker]

Oh no, but clubs have grown from very small beginnings - these teams have just been created as multi-million dollar sides. So rather than building a fan base, it will try to produce one automatically. It may take 10, 20 years before there's a proper fan culture, and cricket has never, ever seen proper fan culture, ever.

Yea, it may. But as long as people are watching and the tournaments start up, fan base will build up eventually. Doesn't matter if it takes one, five or fifty years.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

Come on JJ, let's not get silly. Jester are a joke lol

Hence the use of 'effectively'. They won today as well, coming as somewhat of a relief after that unbelievable poor run. Not seen them since my 'birthday treat' three years back was a 0-0 draw with Cambridge United. Now can barely name a player in the squad.

 

[Cevno]

Think you may have explained that yourself...

If the NBA uses the term 'franchise' as the MBL/NFL do, the franchise awarded by the league, like the IPL franchises were. Club sides were promoted and relegated - my local side, Chester, could effectively be in the Premiership in four years' time if they wanted to. Therefore the whole system is different. Effectively, my local village team is on the same league ladder as Arsenal or Chelsea.

How does that matter in comparing IPL and the EPL.
Club sides were the basis for formation of football in the beginning because there was no established football format at that time and that system was continued over 130 years till where it is now and loyalties have been built to clubs.
But for instance if a EPL had to start now from scratch then it's franchise rights will have to be sold by the FA also because otherwise they would not know the structure of the clubs and there would be too many clubs formed without compliance to the rules and it will also get more fanbase quickly.
Chester can be promoted relegated because There is a about 1000 club pyramid either side of them.I do not get how you suppose these 8 clubs can be promoted relegated when there is one division and only 8 teams.
The franchise rights were allocated to these private players by the bcci and i do not know after that how A bangalore royal challengers is different from a new york yankees or a chelsea or a manchester city in terms of their ownership except for the fact that after ten years this franchise rights will be sold permanently again quite possibly to the same people..

 

[silentstriker]

No, the franchise is owned in perpetuity. The team is theirs forever, it doesn't run out in ten years.

 

[Cevno]

No, the franchise is owned in perpetuity. The team is theirs forever, it doesn't run out in ten years.

The initial rights are for ten years and then probably in compromise if it is succesful then they will be sold to the same people for a fixed price permanently.

 

[GIMH]

Hence the use of 'effectively'. They won today as well, coming as somewhat of a relief after that unbelievable poor run. Not seen them since my 'birthday treat' three years back was a 0-0 draw with Cambridge United. Now can barely name a player in the squad.

hehe, I know, I just couldn't resist a dig at jester. Would secretly love for them to be promoted tbh, coz I've never experienced a derby against them, the ones against Wrexham have always been gun

 

[GIMH]

How does that matter in comparing IPL and the EPL.
Club sides were the basis for formation of football in the beginning because there was no established football format at that time and that system was continued over 130 years till where it is now and loyalties have been built to clubs.
But for instance if a EPL had to start now from scratch then it's franchise rights will have to be sold by the FA also because otherwise they would not know the structure of the clubs and there would be too many clubs formed without compliance to the rules and it will also get more fanbase quickly.
Chester can be promoted relegated because There is a about 1000 club pyramid either side of them.I do not get how you suppose these 8 clubs can be promoted relegated when there is one division and only 8 teams.
The franchise rights were allocated to these private players by the bcci and i do not know after that how A bangalore royal challengers is different from a new york yankees or a chelsea or a manchester city in terms of their ownership except for the fact that after ten years this franchise rights will be sold permanently again quite possibly to the same people..

I think you need to properly understand how English football works to see what JJ is saying, but there is a big difference between a franchise and a club. A fanbase is much more genuine when it is a club with traditions. it is why MK Dons are the most hated club in England, arguably.

 

[grecian]

I think you need to properly understand how English football works to see what JJ is saying, but there is a big difference between a franchise and a club. A fanbase is much more genuine when it is a club with traditions. it is why MK Dons are the most hated club in England, arguably.

Nah the most hated club in England is a Franchise, but it ain't them...............

 

[GIMH]

TBF, the hatred for MK Dons is different to any other. They get openly slated in official matchday programmes, fans who otherwise do a full sweep often boycott their games, and to top it all, Milton Keynes is a ****hole anyway