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Ponting's streak of 16 vs Waugh's streak of 16

Ponting's streak of 16 vs Waugh's streak of 16?

  • Ponting's streak

    Votes: 32 50.8%
  • Waugh's streak

    Votes: 31 49.2%

  • Total voters
    63

Johnners

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There have been times when he's bowled better than Marlon Black ever has. I didn't say "Black is no better than Harmison".

I suggested there was nothing between the routine Black and the stuff Harmison bowled in the 2006\07 Ashes, or indeed in most matches since July 2004. A perfectly reasonable suggestion. I fail to see how anyone could reckon Harmison bowled any better in 2006\07 than Black did in 2000\01.

Note the performances, not the names and the (of times false) reputations.
So...let me get this straight, the performances are relevant when it's players who aren't performing at their best. but when it comes to Bangladesh performing extremely well (i.e. losing by only 2 wickets) it doesn't matter. There's so many holes in your argument it's not funny.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
Richard, you have a hilariously overblown and rose tinted view of all cricket before 2001. It's quite ridiculous. Do you seem to think that conceeding the fact that Ponting's streak was better means you're admitting in some way shape or form that the current era isn't as bad as you say it is?
 

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Richard, you have a hilariously overblown and rose tinted view of all cricket before 2001
Not alone, though. The way some people go on about it, the 90's was a time of fearless batsmen batting against guys who could bowl 190km/h, swing the ball metres and on minefields. Funnily enough, most of the proponents of this are too young to have seen much 90's cricket.
 

Jono

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Such as who TC? You can't just say that without dropping some names.

Anyway, I don't believe that stating Ponting's streak was better (which I believe it was) means that you believe this current decade of cricket to be better than the last.

Comparing batting averages in these decades is enough proof anyway to suggest the difference in quality.

1990s

2000s
 

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Such as who TC? You can't just say that without dropping some names.
Can't remember all off the top of my head but I'll be sure to point it out. :)

Comparing batting averages in these decades is enough proof anyway to suggest the difference in quality.
But ignores a bunch of other factors, though; better bat technology, fitter batsmen, different batting tempo's, roped-in boundaries, flatter pitches, etc. all outside the control of bowlers' and batters' skills which, I guess, is my main objection. People tend to criminally under-rate current batsmen and over-rate the previous generations' bowlers. Same thing happened in the 90's where those batsmen who prospered then were derided for not having faced Garner, Marshall, Holding, etc. and those guys were super-bowlers of some sort.

One example; I've seen people say that a bloke like Ponting wouldn't have scored as many runs in the 90's and offer his record during the 90's as proof. No-one seems to remember that he was very young when he played his first Test and that most batsmen these days do bat better as they get older. Based on all the bowling I saw in the 90's, I'd back Punter to score similarly in the 90's as he does now with a corresponding drop to allow for slightly less flatter pitches for example. Either way, I'd say he would mix it well against the best bowlers of the era.
 
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Jono

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But that's the point TC. All those factors have made for a lower quality of cricket in recent times. Its not ignoring those factors you named, those inflated averages have been directly affected by them.

And whilst I don't believe everything post 2000 is awful, and everything in the 1990s is gold (I think its unfair to categorise everyone who is suspect of just how good modern batsman are into believing such an extreme position), I think there's a much bigger gap between Ntini/Lee/Zaheer and Ambrose/Donald/Akram then there is between Ambrose/Donald/Akram and Marshall/Garner/Hadlee.

Anyway I won't turn this thread into a 90s vs 2000s or anything of the ilk, just sharing my view that not everyone that believes the 90s was better cricket therefore believes Waugh's record was better.
 
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But that's the point TC. All those factors have made for a lower quality of cricket in recent times.
Separate issue but this I also disagree with. I've seen far more classic matches in the 2000's than in the 90's. There were more than enough boring draws in the 90's, thanks. In matches involving Australia, especially, in the 90's I remember only a few really close games (The Oval 1997, Adelaide 1992, SCG 1993, Kandy 1992 and that one in Pakistan where Inzi and Mushie won the game by one wicket when Heals missed a stumping). In the 2000's we've had classic series such as India 2001, Ashes 2005, Australia vs India 2003. Better yet, there's a decent crop of pace bowlers starting to bowl really well. Sure there have been a few more boring bat-fests but cricket, on the whole, has been far more entertaining for me.

And whilst I don't believe everything post 2000 is awful, and everything in the 1990s is gold (I think its unfair to categorise everyone who is suspect of just how good modern batsman are into believing such an extreme position), I think there's a much bigger gap between Ntini/Lee/Zaheer and Ambrose/Donald/Akram then there is between Ambrose/Donald/Akram and Marshall/Garner/Hadlee.
That's cheating, man. :) Ntini/Lee/Zaheer haven't been the best bowlers of the 00's. Warne/Murali/McGrath would have been a fairer comparison and I'd stand them up against anything the 90's or 80's had to offer.

I guess I'm just reacting to fogeyism too. When someone says "Wow, Huss batted well" they get "Pfft! He's nothing compared to Player X from years back. And that was in the days before all this new bat technology came about!" Makes those watching the game and enjoying it feel cheated I'm sure when they've no reason to be. Not that it's unique to the current time, has been happening since time immemorial of course (that Hadlee chap was just a watered-down Brian Statham!) but, well, I hate it. :)
 
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sideshowtim

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Anyway I won't turn this thread into a 90s vs 2000s or anything of the ilk, just sharing my view that not everyone that believes the 90s was better cricket therefore believes Waugh's record was better.
Of course not mate. But I definitely think that factored into Richard's argument. I knew what his answer was going to be before I started the thread.
 

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Title should have been ponting (umpire assisted)streak vs waughs.....
Waugh's team had at least one big decision go their way, if you wanna be pedantic. In Hobart during the big partnership by Gilchrist and Langer against Pakistan, Langer definitely nicked Wasim behind, although not a huge touch. That was with Australia still needing quite a few runs to win too and it knocked the life out of the Pakistan team which carried over into their loss in Perth I'm sure.

Tendulkar was sawn off in Adelaide in 2000. No, not the second dig but the first when he was given out to a bat-pad he missed by quite a distance. Was LBW to McGrath a little dubiously in Sydney too.
 

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As far as the better streak, I guess I'd say it had to be Ponting's if you have a look at the opposition. Waugh's had a better feeling about it, though.
 

biased indian

International Coach
Waugh's team had at least one big decision go their way, if you wanna be pedantic. In Hobart during the big partnership by Gilchrist and Langer against Pakistan, Langer definitely nicked Wasim behind, although not a huge touch. That was with Australia still needing quite a few runs to win too and it knocked the life out of the Pakistan team which carried over into their loss in Perth I'm sure.

Tendulkar was sawn off in Adelaide in 2000. No, not the second dig but the first when he was given out to a bat-pad he missed by quite a distance. Was LBW to McGrath a little dubiously in Sydney too.
Two get two instance of umpire asistance you had to go 2 test among 16 rite....
which more than normal by ICC umpires Elite panel

but in the ponting one you would get 3 in one single session :) and wht some 7 in a single test
 

Burgey

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Title should have been ponting (umpire assisted)streak vs waughs.....
Any team which has a streak of 16 tests will have decisions go their way. It's the law of averages surely.
Mate, don't forget the 2001 series, is all I'm saying. Who was that umpire when HB Singh got his hat-trick? His finger was in the air before the ball was caught! Gold.
 

shankar

International Debutant
Any team which has a streak of 16 tests will have decisions go their way. It's the law of averages surely.
Mate, don't forget the 2001 series, is all I'm saying. Who was that umpire when HB Singh got his hat-trick? His finger was in the air before the ball was caught! Gold.
That guy's problem was more incompetence rather than bias. In the same inning he gave Steve Waugh not out off a bigger edge than Symonds' in this match after which Waugh went on to put up a massive partnership with Gillespie. And in another one-day match when Jadeja had a similar massive edge through to the keeper, he took his finger upto his head level, then poked his hat and put it down ruling not-out!
 

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That guy's problem was more incompetence rather than bias. In the same inning he gave Steve Waugh not out off a bigger edge than Symonds' in this match after which Waugh went on to put up a massive partnership with Gillespie. And in another one-day match when Jadeja had a similar massive edge through to the keeper, he took his finger upto his head level, then poked his hat and put it down ruling not-out!
Nah, that was Gillespie given not out, not Waugh. Cost India a lot of runs, though!
 

biased indian

International Coach
Any team which has a streak of 16 tests will have decisions go their way. It's the law of averages surely.
Mate, don't forget the 2001 series, is all I'm saying. Who was that umpire when HB Singh got his hat-trick? His finger was in the air before the ball was caught! Gold.
i thought the caught was reffered to third umpire..the first lbw was plumb and the second was a 50-50 decision..if i was true ian chappel was on air and this was his version..so cant find big fault with him
 

Alevoor

Cricket Spectator
How to win Matches? New guide book for Australians
Sure, Australia is a good team and they have some of the best players there and are having some great run of victories under their belt. But does it make them really invincible?

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Ever since Steve Waugh became their captain, a new secret guide book on how to win matches is strictly enforced by the Australian Cricket Board. It is some what like this.

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What if you loose despite all this?
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Still, if you loose, call it a match fixed by the opposite party and the teams did not play in the spirit of the game.

Good luck.
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James

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How to win Matches? New guide book for Australians
Sure, Australia is a good team and they have some of the best players there and are having some great run of victories under their belt. But does it make them really invincible?

Yes, a 100 times yes. See how...

Ever since Steve Waugh became their captain, a new secret guide book on how to win matches is strictly enforced by the Australian Cricket Board. It is some what like this.

1. Always play to your full potential
2. Play most of your matches in Australia
3. Draw maximum advantage of pitches, no matter how dubious it could get
4. Use sledging tactics while bowling
5. Don't hesitate to spit on players, if it comes to
6. Humble the opponents with non cricketing tricks
7. Fix up matches and fix up Umpires
8. Play on, you are not out even if clean bowled to a clean ball
9. while feilding don't hesitate to pick catches off the turf and appeal
10. Slow down the over rate if threatened by good showing by opponents
11. Bowl all six deliveries on the leg side so as to avoid getting hit
12. If Umpires don't rule opponents out use your descretion- declare him yourself
13. Don't forget, you have the full backing by board


What if you loose despite all this?
Naaaaaaaaah! this will never happen at all. The formula here is a fool proofed one.
Still, if you loose, call it a match fixed by the opposite party and the teams did not play in the spirit of the game.

Good luck.
Watch the nicest moments in Australian Cricket here @
http://***************.*************/
If you want to stay and post on these forums, I would strongly suggest you get away from this clear trolling.

I would strongly suggest you have a read through the Forum Rules.
 

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