Supporting other countries

[Prince EWS]

Most of this thread has had its posts copied from the India in Australia thread - thought I should note that. I've left the posts in there too because some of them relate to the game.

Anyway, this is interesting, for mine. I follow Australia because I live here, owe my love of the game to its system and actually have ancestors who have played test cricket for Australia.

However, man for man, I don't really like a lot of the current team as cricketers. I don't like the ultra-aggressive batting, I don't like the bogan personalities some of them suggest amongst lots of other things. By the token that pup11 supports Australia, I should support England. I like a lot of their players, I like their attitude towards the game, I like the history the game has there and I'm fascinated by the MCC. I even like to upper class snobbery their cricket has about it, deep down. I love Boycott. I don't follow England though.

 

[Flem274*]

Agree with the West Indian one (I can't remember which one of those islands you're from... ).

I have no issue with people supporting teams in the English premiership when they're from places like NZ, or even supporting a non-NZ team in the A-League, NBL, or ARL. Those are professional competitions. What I can't understand is why someone would support a national team in direct competition with their own - it's as though they have no pride in being a resident of their own country.



Every team has twits (in Perm's case, he ridiculously thinks NZ's is Vettori - I'd go for Styris....) much like every every team has a good munter (like Patel (NZ), Hussey (Aus), Flintoff (England). FFS, just because you don't like one guy in the team, for you to switch your support to another side entirely is ****ing childish.

Still, it's "allowed". No-one's actually stopping you, Perm. Which made the 3-0 series win over Bangladesh all the more enjoyable when your flip-flopping between support was firmly rubbed back in your face.

AWTA

Another factor we could include is that if you aren't much of a fan of the sport, like me and rugby for instance, its understandable to support whoever you want. I simply love it when the All Blacks lose because all the arrogant ****s in this country that believe its our god given right to win throw the toys out of the cot. I love cricket though and will never, ever support another team that is playing against us.

I'm not saying Pup doesn't like cricket because obviously hes a huge fan, I'm just stating another factor in some descisions to support other teams.

 

[roseboy64]

pup11's case about family is understandable and almost justifiable.

 

[Smudge]

It's not a 'ridiculous' notion that Vettori is a 'twit' as you want to put it. He's shown me in the past to be somebody who isn't particularly likeable from my point of view, so I dislike him. I never for one second suggested changing allegiance because you don't like a player, I questioned whether you should still support him because he is of the same nationality as you.

Let's step back a little. What exactly has Vettori done in the past to make you dislike him so much? He's intelligent, fairly modest, gives his guts with bat and ball, often shouldering a ****house NZ attack when Bond isn't there, yet you somehow find it difficult to like him. Again, you're allowed to, but unless I see you provide some genuine reasons, I'll assume you're merely continuing your behaviour of the last few months where you adopt the position of the devil's advocate, just so you can be different.

I can't see any sort of flip-flopping on my behalf with regards to the series in question either, I was firmly in support of Bangladesh the whole time.

Who said I was just talking about the series? You support NZ against some other teams, don't you?

 

[NZTailender]

I have no issue with people supporting teams in the English premiership when they're from places like NZ, or even supporting a non-NZ team in the A-League, NBL, or ARL. Those are professional competitions. What I can't understand is why someone would support a national team in direct competition with their own - it's as though they have no pride in being a resident of their own country.

Depends what their reasons are for supporting a different country.

 

[Prince EWS]

pup11's case about family is understandable and almost justifiable.

My mother and two of my grandparents were born in England. My great grandfather on my father's father's side was born in England and if you went far enough back, the Bannermans were probably from England as well.

I don't really care who pup supports as long as he doesn't troll the forums, but I think it's interesting. I have just as compelling a case based on family heritage and probably moreso on cricketing ideals, but I've never even considered following England.

 

[Smudge]

pup11's case about family is understandable and almost justifiable.

Indeed - not that he needs to justify it to us of course.

If he'd mentioned it months ago though, he could have avoided our questioning posts.

 

[Flem274*]

My mother and two of my grandparents were born in England. My great grandfather on my father's father's side was born in England and if you went far enough back, the Bannermans were probably from England as well.

I don't really care who pup supports as long as he troll the forums, but I think it's interesting. I have just as compelling a case based on family heritage and probably moreso on cricketing ideals, but I've never even considered following England.

He's not a troll Prince. Biased yes, but not Bond21 esque.

 

[Prince EWS]

He's not a troll Prince. Biased yes, but not Bond21 esque.

LOL, dire typo. Left out the word "doesn't" in there. Pup11 is one of my favourite posters.

 

[Flem274*]

LOL, dire typo. Left out the word "doesn't" in there. Pup11 is one of my favourite posters.

Haha I was gonna say if you're calling people trolls because of slight bias ya might as well ban me then.

 

[roseboy64]

My mother and two of my grandparents were born in England. My great grandfather on my father's father's side was born in England and if you went far enough back, the Bannermans were probably from England as well.

I don't really care who pup supports as long as he doesn't troll the forums, but I think it's interesting. I have just as compelling a case based on family heritage and probably moreso on cricketing ideals, but I've never even considered following England.

Some people have different tolerance levels for what they dislike I guess.

 

[Perm]

Let's step back a little. What exactly has Vettori done in the past to make you dislike him so much? He's intelligent, fairly modest, gives his guts with bat and ball, often shouldering a ****house NZ attack when Bond isn't there, yet you somehow find it difficult to like him. Again, you're allowed to, but unless I see you provide some genuine reasons, I'll assume you're merely continuing your behaviour of the last few months where you adopt the position of the devil's advocate, just so you can be different.

Aside from the fact that he is ridiculously over-rated with regards to his bowling, I have seen numerous incidents where Vettori has spilled catches, made misfields and the such and then reacted in a hugely negative way when somebody is a little tardy with a boundary throw off his fielding. It's totally hypocritical for him to go about shouting and swearing at his team-mates, despite him making greater mistakes. Granted that he hasn't been doing it lately, not that I've noticed, but it was something that I didn't feel reflected well upon Vettori. Care to give more examples of where I've played the devil's advocate just to be different?

Who said I was just talking about the series? You support NZ against some other teams, don't you?

I support New Zealand against all teams, contrary to what some others have tried to say about me in the past. I am a big Bangladesh fan, follow their cricket closely, and want to see them do well. In this particular series I was wanting to see Bangladesh do well for a number of reasons that I have already mentioned. The way you worded your previous post suggested that my support flip-flopped during the series.

 

[Smudge]

Aside from the fact that he is ridiculously over-rated with regards to his bowling,

That's not his fault.

I have seen numerous incidents where Vettori has spilled catches, made misfields and the such and then reacted in a hugely negative way when somebody is a little tardy with a boundary throw off his fielding. It's totally hypocritical for him to go about shouting and swearing at his team-mates, despite him making greater mistakes.

Is that it? Really? You haven't played much cricket as a bowler, have you? It's a bowler's prerogrative to bitch and moan when the fielders don't do their job, despite that same bowler likely to be the same one to make a mistake down at fine leg. If you're going to dislike him for that, you might as well wage a fatwah against all bowlers in world cricket.

Granted that he hasn't been doing it lately, not that I've noticed, but it was something that I didn't feel reflected well upon Vettori.

Ahhh, so now you have no reason for disliking Vettori. Welcome back to the fold.

Care to give more examples of where I've played the devil's advocate just to be different?

Your interactions with Fiery and Richard instantly spring to mind. I can't be bothered searching some specific examples out because I'm supposed to be doing work right now but you'll just have to deal with that.

I support New Zealand against all teams, contrary to what some others have tried to say about me in the past.

Except Bangladesh. Which makes you a flip-flopper.

 

[Prince EWS]

Some people have different tolerance levels for what they dislike I guess.

Yeah, I guess so. I'm not arguing against his reasons or anything - just wondering to myself why I've never considered supporting England. The fact that Australia win more often than India could probably have something to do with it, whether pup11 wants to admit it - or whether he even knows it - or not.

 

[Flem274*]

Perms argument about how Vettori misses catches and what not then complains about it off his own bowling is silly. Martin, Mills and Bond to name a few a exactly the same. All bowlers are like that, I'm a bowler and I spill catches and when they're dropped off my owm bowling I'm fairly pissed so I guess all bowlers are filthy hypocrites but hey, no one cares.

 

[Perm]

That's not his fault.

No, but the constant talk of Vettori being a strike bowler influences me, because it's not true. I never said it was his fault, but people can dislike a cricketer for any number of reasons, from his performances, to the way he combs his hair.

Is that it? Really? You haven't played much cricket as a bowler, have you? It's a bowler's prerogrative to bitch and moan when the fielders don't do their job, despite that same bowler likely to be the same one to make a mistake down at fine leg. If you're going to dislike him for that, you might as well wage a fatwah against all bowlers in world cricket.

I've never played any cricket as a specialist bowler. I don't care what the bowler's prerogrative is, Vettori is/was hypocritcal and aggressive when there is clearly no need for that behaviour, and it makes him look like a dick in my eyes.

Ahhh, so now you have no reason for disliking Vettori. Welcome back to the fold.

Um, yes I do. Just because somebody hasn't done something irksome in a little while doesn't mean they never did it in the past. Besides, I haven't been taking particular notice of Vettori lately, assuming he'd act in a more responsible and mature manner since taking upon the captaincy.

Your interactions with Fiery and Richard instantly spring to mind. I can't be bothered searching some specific examples out because I'm supposed to be doing work right now but you'll just have to deal with that.

Until you are willing to actually provide evidence then you can't justify these claims in any way.

Except Bangladesh. Which makes you a flip-flopper.

Conveniently you seem to have ignored the rest of what I had to say on the issue. Arguments like this don't help in any way, as it reeks of people launching into a poster who doesn't support his home country with various allegations in a manner akin to accusing the poster of treason or something equally ridiculous.

 

[Perm]

Perms argument about how Vettori misses catches and what not then complains about it off his own bowling is silly. Martin, Mills and Bond to name a few a exactly the same. All bowlers are like that, I'm a bowler and I spill catches and when they're dropped off my owm bowling I'm fairly pissed so I guess all bowlers are filthy hypocrites but hey, no one cares.

Thankfully I've never seen you bowl

Nor have I seen Shane Bond, Chris Martin or Kyle Mills react in the volatile manner in which Vettori has in the past. FWIW I would be extremely pissed if Martin reacted that way, as he is guilty of misfielding more than any other member of the Black Caps.

 

[roseboy64]

Lots of bowlers do it TBH. Seen it lots. Not a good argument that.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Lots of bowlers do it TBH. Seen it lots. Not a good argument that.

Bingo.

 

[Flem274*]

Thankfully I've never seen you bowl

Nor have I seen Shane Bond, Chris Martin or Kyle Mills react in the volatile manner in which Vettori has in the past. FWIW I would be extremely pissed if Martin reacted that way, as he is guilty of misfielding more than any other member of the Black Caps.

Lucky for you I've never bowled to you.

Could you use some examples of Vettori's bad behaviour? I've never noticed it TBH.