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Muttiah Muralitharan 296 ODIs - 455 wickets
Brad Hogg 116 ODIs - 148 wickets
Not really that close. Is he a better ODI bowler than Warne? Nope. Is he a better ODI bowler than Muralitharan? No chance.
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Your Top Ten One-Day International BOWLERS of all-time
- Thread starter Days of Grace
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Brad Hogg 116 ODIs - 148 wickets
Not really that close. Is he a better ODI bowler than Warne? Nope. Is he a better ODI bowler than Muralitharan? No chance.
From Observation alone I can say he tends to play well against some of the better teams and invariably in ODIs he keeps the pressure on the opposition ...and in crucial ODIs plays a very important role...but this is just an observation only...
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He does have a top notch World Cup record. Average of 19.24, Economy Rate of 4.13 and Strike Rate of 27.97. Very impressive indeed.
Migara
International Coach
Hogg is a better bowler against better spin playing sides than Warne IMHO. I have not seen some one taking him to the cleaners yet. Fair number of batsman took Warne and Murali to the cleaners.
(Murali - Salim Malik, Azharuddin, Michael Clark, Symonds, Ganguly, Cairns & Lara: Warne - Sidhu, Kambli, Jadeja, Robin Singh, Ranatunga, Gurusinghe, Lara, Cairns,)
Even Kumble and Saqlain had fearful hammerings in the sub continet. But Hogg seems to do not to get hammered badl.
Spot on,
2nd quickest to 100 wickets, and will be right in the mix for the 150 as well. It is a shame that he can not get on the park enough, because he could have become one of the best ODI bowlers from NZ (Still might) and actually probably the world.
Days of Grace
International Captain
U iz on some grass lad if you put Kapil in the top 10, surely?
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
How could I not take him among top ODI bowlers? How many bowlers except him have more than 250 wickets in ODI with an economy rate as little as 3.72? ... That too with great batsmen like V. Richards, J.Miandad, A. Border, D. Haynes, S. Waugh etc batting against him in ODIs all through...
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Days of Grace
International Captain
Top 20 maybe, not top 10. He was economical (pretty much every bowler worth their salt in those days was under 4.0 E/R), but he wasn't a big wicket-taker, just taking over a wicket per match.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
You are OK with the other 9 names; you have problem only with Kapil's name, right? .... So whom will you take in his place? Warne, Waqar, Hadlee or Mcdermott maybe? Or someone else?... Well Waqar was way too expensive... Mcdermott, being a bowler of Kapil's era was a shade more expensive than him...Warne's ODI records were not extraordinary....Hadlee didn't play enough ODI's I think.....
I think it will ultimately come down to a choice between Kapil, Warne and Waqar maybe....and it is too close a call...so ultimately it'll depend upon personal choices.
I think it will ultimately come down to a choice between Kapil, Warne and Waqar maybe....and it is too close a call...so ultimately it'll depend upon personal choices.
Actually they were. Warne's one of the greatest one-day match winners of all time. I think in terms of famous ODI bowling performances, Warne's come to mind more often than any other bowler. Absolutely no way the West Indies should have lost to Australia in the World Cup semi final of 1996, yet Warne came on and demolished them. Warne was the only reason Australia were still in the contest half way through the South African innings in the 1999 semi-final. Warne murdered Pakistan in the final. And even when his form was suffering in the longer form of the game, his one-day game in 2000 was so impressive he won the ODI player of the year during the Alan Border Medal ceremony. That was a great Australian team too... Warne was also the first spinner I saw constantly being used near the "death" of each innings, slowing down runs when they were meant to come hard and fast.
I actually don't know why people regard Warne as a lesser one-day player. His ODI average is similar to his Tests. 25 is an incredible one-day average. I think it's sad how people are forgetting how much of a match winner Warne was in ODI's. I don't think he was as great as Wasim Akram in ODI's, but he's certainly in the same league as the very best ODI bowlers.
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weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Every bowler I mentioned had some incredible performances like that... Take for example Waqar....What an incredible performer with the ball he was... Although in a career marred by injury, he made the chances count whenever he got them...He was a true match-winner..but alas under the shade of a more glamourous player opening the bowling attack with him...How many times did you see him destroying the opponent batting line-up...And what an incredible strike rate he had...even better than his new ball partner, the great Wasim Akram......And yet no one will say he was almost as good as Akram or better than Warne.....the only reason is the 7 letter word 'glamour'.
Days of Grace
International Captain
But Waqar would still rate in the top 5 for me. He took 4 or more wickets on more than 20 occasions in his ODI career. He was the ODI game's greatest strike bowler IMO, unless you include Bond, who (hopefully) plays some more matches.
The Wasim/Waqar comparision is quite interesting because most people rate Wasim above Waqar without question, yet their statistics are basically equal in both forms of the game, with waqar having a better SR and wasim a better ER. Waqar seems to only be remembered when he was past his prime, and not at his best when Wasim was simply no match for him. Actually pretty much noone was. I would pick a prime waqar over anyone on that list. Also Garner is massively overrated because he only played 98 games. Waqars figures after 98 games are better than Garners.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Or Brett Lee.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
What do u mean by that? When Brian Lara says he is the best he ever faced ,he got carried away by the glamour ?Lara is just one .Plenty of them are there with the same opinion.
That talk doesn't make any sense .[/QUOTE]
About Warne?.....Well, if you attach so much importance about the words of a great about another then you should also keep Sachin in the 2nd position after Bradman among all time greats just because Bradman said so. Also, then you should say Sehwag is the best ODI player of India and Ganguly is too old to play a good innings because Greg Chappell said so...Is that logical?...
And also Lara didn't make that comment only for ODIs....
By the way I am not denying that Warne was a good bowler in ODIs, in fact a very good one. But he doesn't come in top 5 for sure. Whether he comes in top 10 is debatable...but in no way top 5.
That talk doesn't make any sense .[/QUOTE]
About Warne?.....Well, if you attach so much importance about the words of a great about another then you should also keep Sachin in the 2nd position after Bradman among all time greats just because Bradman said so. Also, then you should say Sehwag is the best ODI player of India and Ganguly is too old to play a good innings because Greg Chappell said so...Is that logical?...
And also Lara didn't make that comment only for ODIs....
By the way I am not denying that Warne was a good bowler in ODIs, in fact a very good one. But he doesn't come in top 5 for sure. Whether he comes in top 10 is debatable...but in no way top 5.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
How are you going to argue that with Shaun Pollock in your top 5?