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***Official*** New Zealand in Australia

TheLad

School Boy/Girl Captain
Yeah, in one 20/20 game when we were trying to score 10 an over. And to make the point again, McCullum hardly looked uncomfortable against him on Friday.
McCullum took the attack up very well and is certainly trying out Taits mental state a verbal barrage here, should be interesting.

The other upper order batsman are yet to demonstrate there ability to handle good fast bowling. That is not just taken from the Australian tour but from the matches watched on the South African tour with Dale Steyn as well.
 

Fiery

Banned
McCullum took the attack up very well and is certainly trying out Taits mental state a verbal barrage here, should be interesting.

The other upper order batsman are yet to demonstrate there ability to handle good fast bowling. That is not just taken from the Australian tour but from the matches watched on the South African tour with Dale Steyn as well.
fair call
 

Natman20

International Debutant
I read somewhere that if New Zealand are to win they have to chase. I agree with this somewhat. We never seem to have a strategy in place in producing a target but rather meander around until the final overs when we bat first. We don't seem able to be aggressive from the beginning and this effects our final score. There are no targets in terms of run-rates that have to be met and so we don't see the need in being aggressive.

Therefore like so many times before we would probably succeed more if we chase 300 rather than setting up any total. I should find some stats but yeah. I don't know whether its a coaching problem or a mental thing but they need to learn to get on top like the Australians and to be able to control the bowlers and not let them control you as we are letting happen so often. Maybe we don't have the batting talent to do so but they should at least try to accelerate.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Not at all. When a side bats first in an ODI they're always at a disadvantage.
Sig-worthy IMO. You're telling me that when a side bats first, scores 300+ and gets to bowl under lights half the time, they're at a disadvantage? When you have runs on the board, that is a massive pro. Who cares if you know what your target is when that target is something ridiculous.

Used to like Kiwi posters in general. I don't know if it's the Tait-issue, or the fab-three catching up in every thread, but it's getting a little annoying.
 

Fiery

Banned
Sig-worthy IMO. You're telling me that when a side bats first, scores 300+ and gets to bowl under lights half the time, they're at a disadvantage? When you have runs on the board, that is a massive pro. Who cares if you know what your target is when that target is something ridiculous.

Used to like Kiwi posters in general. I don't know if it's the Tait-issue, or the fab-three catching up in every thread, but it's getting a little annoying.
And the "fab-three" are?
 

slugger

State Vice-Captain
you cant read to much into these stats.. however no suprise we have won more batting 2nd regardless...
the last 25 games...
batting 1st Played 12 Won 5 Lost 7
batting 2nd Played 13 Won 8 Lost 5
 

Laurrz

International Debutant
Man this Tait throwing thing has gone completely out of hand IMO. Vettori hardly even implied that he was a chucker and the media exaggeratted it to the point of where Vettori was saying he was a cheat and no good. This in turn makes Ponting and co. retaliate and so they should. But they shouldn't be retaliating against Vettori but the media who made it seem so bad.

No respect for the media in cricket at the moment. Pick up on any small thing and exaggerate the loss of form of players and the form of the team but they fail to realise the season as a whole or the previous season and think that the last two games define who the players and teams are now. Oh well. What worries me the most is that these media comments are effecting the players and their motivations for success. Soon it will be Tait vs. Vettori not Australia vs. New Zealand. etc. etc.
true,
i also feel Tait will be no balled by the crowd and taunted by the crowd in matches overseas...for no real reason really..
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Sig-worthy IMO. You're telling me that when a side bats first, scores 300+ and gets to bowl under lights half the time, they're at a disadvantage? When you have runs on the board, that is a massive pro. Who cares if you know what your target is when that target is something ridiculous.

Used to like Kiwi posters in general. I don't know if it's the Tait-issue, or the fab-three catching up in every thread, but it's getting a little annoying.
Obviously when a side scores 300+ they go into the second innings as favourites. But you're forgetting that, even in the modern age, scores of that magnitude are pretty rare (unless its Australia batting first). And given a side like New Zealand, who's bowling are so weak, but have some explosive batting, in a match against Australia I'd rate us a better chance of chasing down 300, then setting 300 and defending it.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Each to their own.
EDIT: Sorry, so you're saying "every team who bats first in an ODI is at a disadvantage... except when they score 300"? Which is it?
 

Laurrz

International Debutant
i think NZ should bat first in Sydney today if they win the toss

its always such a good batting wicket and the outfield is LIGHTNING... so get a good total... and then the team chasing will have to contend with the swinging ball under lights.. even 240 will be a tough score (as shown in last years CB Series final)

so team battin first will get a big advantage here... the record for the team batting first is very good in sydney i think too
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Each to their own.
EDIT: Sorry, so you're saying "every team who bats first in an ODI is at a disadvantage... except when they score 300"? Which is it?
I'm not saying that if a side bats second they're bound to win. Nor am I saying that if a side scores below a certain amount in the first innings they're bound to lose. The point that I'm trying to make is, the basic rules and structure of ODI cricket, and the way that teams generally go about playing gives an advantage to the side that bowls first. This is because its a batsmens game, and the side that bats second is generally better informed about the state of the pitch, the nature of the conditions, and how to go about their task. That doesn't mean they'll win 100% of the time. Each team is different. Each sides have different strengths and weaknesses. As a result they're each in a different position to take advantage of the formulaic nature of ODI's. If a side has decent bowlers, then the advantage to the side that bats first is marginalised and even reversed (as I've already stated). But for a side like New Zealand, who have a poor and largely indisciplined bowling lineup, this is not the case. And when they come up against a vastly superior outfit like Australia, they're only realistic chance of winning is to bowl first, try and keep the Australians to a gettable total and then chase it.
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
Lol @ Mcullum.

Tait's 'comment' that NZ batsmen looked uncomfortable against pace was more fact than anything. A blind man could see that the Kiwis were having a huge amount of trouble handling him and Lee in Perth. Why? Their tremendous pace was definitely a contributor.

"If he's Glenn McGrath, he can probably throw comments like that out there,"

What does this mean? So unless a bowler is as good as Glenn McGrath he's not allowed to state the obvious? Terrible.

"But my only advice would be to maybe get a few more statistics behind him before he starts mouthing off."

Yes, McCullum, a man with just magnificent ODI statistics is allowed to comment when Tait with terrible ODI statistics such as an ODI SR of 25 and bowling average of 24 shouldn't be allowed to comment....What a hypocrite. McCullum should keep his bloody mouth shut if he believes you should have some decent statistics behind you before you start 'mouthing off'. Quite fairly, his ODI stats are poor and he has a history of mouthing off to players out in the centre.
Can't understand why the Black caps have got stuck into Taity he made a very valiant point about the weakness off the New Zealand batsmen against genuine pace, but it seems to have pissed off the Black caps because its really mad on their part to fire up a young fast bowler like Taity it could only make him more determined to do well, all said and done pretty dire comment from McCullum.
Look at a couple of Australian posters circling the wagons. How predictable. Fact is, Tait has a weakness - which is his inaccuracy. McCullum obviously noted how wayward he was in the first few overs and has decided to put the pressure on a little more. Mind games are all part of international cricket - if Tait can't handle it (and we'll find out as the series goes on), perhaps he's not cut out for international cricket.

And what the hell is a valiant point, pup?
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
i think NZ should bat first in Sydney today if they win the toss

its always such a good batting wicket and the outfield is LIGHTNING... so get a good total... and then the team chasing will have to contend with the swinging ball under lights.. even 240 will be a tough score (as shown in last years CB Series final)

so team battin first will get a big advantage here... the record for the team batting first is very good in sydney i think too
Yeah, spot on. Overcast all day today though, would expect lots of movement throughout the day/night. Good conditions for Bracken one would think.

Hope NZ play Patel.
 

TheLad

School Boy/Girl Captain
i think NZ should bat first in Sydney today if they win the toss

its always such a good batting wicket and the outfield is LIGHTNING... so get a good total... and then the team chasing will have to contend with the swinging ball under lights.. even 240 will be a tough score (as shown in last years CB Series final)

so team battin first will get a big advantage here... the record for the team batting first is very good in sydney i think too
If it is going to rain tonight, with a team that relies hevily on a spin bowler, this occasion it may be prudent to bowl first for the kiwi's.
 

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