Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

[Majin]

Majin,

It's clear to see, and just as I expected, from your snide retort to my constructive question, that you know you are wrong in condoning this.

It's nothing of the sort, it's clear to see that I thought your question and point was idiotic and treated it with the kind of response deemed worthy of it.

In fact, it really should paint the person who says those lines as the "heel." The "good guy" doesn't talk like that. But that's the WWE isn't it?

No, actually. That's something that's been part of storytelling history for the best part of 70 years, actually. Again, I don't know where you've been for the past however many years because this sort of character has infiltrated virtually all forms of entertainment currently available to us.

Shock horror it might be to learn, but everybody has a personal opinion (you might like to read up on that one) on just about everything, and everyone is perfectly entitled to their own, just like you are allowed to claim that Jericho's promos are pathetic.

I think you are forgetting that at the end of the day, WWE is a massive business organization, and everything they do is geared around making a profit. They only put this out there because people want it, and considering the amount of money they make from live shows, merchandising etc, people clearly want it. Hell, you just listen to the crowd reaction to Jericho's segment for proof of that. So don't tell me I know I'm wrong, you don't have the right to tell me I'm doing anything when you haven't got a clue.

This is just a wrestling promo at the end of the day, the comments made were totally irrelevant to any bigger picture, they were just random inane comments made which, however hard it is to believe apparently, people find amusing. I don't know why you're taking someone who acts as obviously hokey as Jericho does seriously, people like the Jericho character act the way they do because it's amusing with people overreact to them when there's really no issue to begin with.

edit: and for the record, that's going to be my last post on the matter because I can't be arsed for debating opinion. You've got yours, I've got mine, they're both out there in the open, and that's that. I'm not going to change my mind because of what you say and vice versa, it's not going to go anywhere else but around in circles so yeah. So if you're still going to post on it that's fine, but I won't be arsed to reply, so yeah.

 

[Majin]

also just point out that it's good to see you back round here Matt, hope you stick around again, always nice to have more proper fans around

 

[easterner7]

Barney,

That's very interesting. I would have thought the WWE wanted complete control over what goes on. But, if it's the wrestlers who actually come up with their own dialogue, then my critical comments about this particular piece in general must be laid on Chris Jericho. There was no need to focus on a few of the things he cited. As I pointed out, it's meaningless because it's like the difference between a brunet and a blond. It only makes him look like a fool. He must also be somewhat less than brilliant to take what is supposed to be the "face" character he's given and make him appear the "heel" by using the kind of slurs that the "heel" character would use. Focus on his ring ability versus Orton, his fan appeal versus Orton, entertainment abilty vs Orton's, but not the shape of a face or body. That's meaningless and just shows a shallow character. In any case, I've already said all this - at least I now know that Jericho is responsible and not the creative team. He is lacking in his ability to effectively put over his character. Interesting stuff, though. Thanks for the insight.

 

[easterner7]

Majin,

You need a new bedside manner. I have no clue why your posts appear to be so heated. And drumming up all sorts of historical data that is, at best, subject to question, and surmising what I'm all about - I don't get why this is your agenda. Just asking a simple question for some debate. Barney Rubble seems to have no problem engaging in a discussion. But since you seem uninclined to do so, and wish to remove yourself from the topic, that's fine with me. I'll look forward to hearing nothing further from you when I post.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

 

[Agent TBY]

Pitt, creative "does" script most of the promos, except for the few over guys.

 

[Barney Rubble]

also just point out that it's good to see you back round here Matt, hope you stick around again, always nice to have more proper fans around

Haha, it's good to be back.

Pitt, creative "does" script most of the promos, except for the few over guys.

Well, these days the only guys who get mic time are the guys who are over. Otherwise like I say, wouldn't Creative take someone with no mic skills like Shelton Benjamin and give him something interesting to say? Even if he didn't say it very well, he'd at least be doing something.

You have to be a main-eventer to get mic time on Raw these days, which is why it's so hard to get over. Look at Santino Marella - he couldn't get over to save his life until they finally gave him two minutes of mic time with Ron Simmons - now he's doing ten-minute skits with Austin and getting massive heat, and he's probably the third top heel on Raw after Orton and Umaga.

As for SmackDown!, they're too busy pandering to the marks by giving Batista 10 minutes on the mic per show. That guy bugs me no end. He can't wrestle to save his life, he knows about three moves, most of which he regularly botches, he endangers other guys in the ring, he's hated backstage, and yet STILL they consistently put him over everyone they've got. He must be the least talented guy ever to be put over 'Taker. I bet 'Taker's pissed about it, too.

 

[ohtani's jacket]

Back in the good old days, Flair & Co. would make fun of Dusty Rhodes' appearance. Terry Funk made fun of Flair's appearance. Great stuff. Promos were better back then.

 

[Athlai]

Jericho isn't in the traditional 'face or heel' mode though, he has a consistent arrogant character which is one of the most entertaining that the WWE has ever had. He is the perfect guy to throw against any other wrestler as it doesn't matter if the crowd is rooting for him or booing him he plays the same hand. All he has to do is add the word 'meat puppets' instead of 'Jericholics' to his tirades.

My favourite wrestler of all time, his mike skills are legendary.

If Orton has body issues than obviously Jericho should apologise (backstage) yet as this is all a show, I'm sure that Orton knows not to take anything Jericho is saying to heart.

 

[sledger]

Haha, it's good to be back.



Well, these days the only guys who get mic time are the guys who are over. Otherwise like I say, wouldn't Creative take someone with no mic skills like Shelton Benjamin and give him something interesting to say? Even if he didn't say it very well, he'd at least be doing something.

You have to be a main-eventer to get mic time on Raw these days, which is why it's so hard to get over. Look at Santino Marella - he couldn't get over to save his life until they finally gave him two minutes of mic time with Ron Simmons - now he's doing ten-minute skits with Austin and getting massive heat, and he's probably the third top heel on Raw after Orton and Umaga.

As for SmackDown!, they're too busy pandering to the marks by giving Batista 10 minutes on the mic per show. That guy bugs me no end. He can't wrestle to save his life, he knows about three moves, most of which he regularly botches, he endangers other guys in the ring, he's hated backstage, and yet STILL they consistently put him over everyone they've got. He must be the least talented guy ever to be put over 'Taker. I bet 'Taker's pissed about it, too.

tbh batista isnt that bad in the ring if you ask me, certainly not great but he's hardly incapable, for example he's no worse in the ring or on the mic than orton, granted he's no taker, but then again taker is old and creaky and should be looking to help put over the younger guys on the roster (yes granted batista is hardly young).

As for Benjamin it looks as if they are finally resuming his push (of sorts) by building up some sort of storyline on the pointless ECW programe, this guy should be the IC champ, no question.

And as for Marella, totally agree, one of the best things on RAW, although hardly a major heel, more of an amusing character who the fans love to hate, but great to listen to.

but yeah, great to see you back barney lad.

 

[sledger]

when wwe say "dont try this" people should pay more attention lol, check out these idiots, laughed my head off after they hit the ground and just roll around wailing, looks like its more of a celtic cross rather than a piledriver.....but still, amusing i thought.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pc8UzZVRVE4

 

[Agent TBY]

when wwe say "dont try this" people should pay more attention lol, check out these idiots, laughed my head off after they hit the ground and just roll around wailing, looks like its more of a celtic cross rather than a piledriver.....but still, amusing i thought.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pc8UzZVRVE4

Just so you know, I couldn't care less about being cruel. That's just stupid. And at the guy going "Okay dude, what's wrong?". Can't you see what's wrong, you ****?

 

[sledger]

yeah thats what i thought, hilarious, stupid idiots.

 

[Barney Rubble]

tbh batista isnt that bad in the ring if you ask me, certainly not great but he's hardly incapable, for example he's no worse in the ring or on the mic than orton, granted he's no taker, but then again taker is old and creaky and should be looking to help put over the younger guys on the roster (yes granted batista is hardly young).

As for Benjamin it looks as if they are finally resuming his push (of sorts) by building up some sort of storyline on the pointless ECW programe, this guy should be the IC champ, no question.

And as for Marella, totally agree, one of the best things on RAW, although hardly a major heel, more of an amusing character who the fans love to hate, but great to listen to.

but yeah, great to see you back barney lad.

Batista's just a pet hate of mine, I'm probably being a bit harsh on him. I liked him when he was a heel, I thought he pulled it off well - but since he turned face I just find his gimmick really lame. He gets over 'cause he's so stacked with muscle, but unlike Cena I very much doubt it's all natural, if you catch my drift.

I wouldn't have anything against him if he was the same sort of guy they built him up as in Evolution - just this big powerful guy who crushes anything in his way - but now they've pushed him so far (a bit like Cena) that I'm just sick of him. I mean, can anyone tell me that this guy deserves to be pushed far enough to have defeated both HHH and 'Taker in Hell In A Cell matches? And they were originally going to have him end 'Taker's WM streak, too. Tsk.

Anyway, onto something more positive - the 'Taker/Edge feud has begun! I couldn't be happier about this. My two favourite guys on the roster right now, and with any luck this feud should be good enough and fresh enough to last all the way to WM24. Edge is the best heel in the company right now, and Taker gets the biggest pops - not only that, but this storyline involving Vickie Guerrero (despite being a complete disgrace and yet another example of the WWE crapping all over the legacy of Eddie) is a pretty superb way of upping the stakes even further. I can't wait for Edge to end the streak at WM24.

 

[sledger]

Batista's just a pet hate of mine, I'm probably being a bit harsh on him. I liked him when he was a heel, I thought he pulled it off well - but since he turned face I just find his gimmick really lame. He gets over 'cause he's so stacked with muscle, but unlike Cena I very much doubt it's all natural, if you catch my drift.

I wouldn't have anything against him if he was the same sort of guy they built him up as in Evolution - just this big powerful guy who crushes anything in his way - but now they've pushed him so far (a bit like Cena) that I'm just sick of him. I mean, can anyone tell me that this guy deserves to be pushed far enough to have defeated both HHH and 'Taker in Hell In A Cell matches? And they were originally going to have him end 'Taker's WM streak, too. Tsk.

Anyway, onto something more positive - the 'Taker/Edge feud has begun! I couldn't be happier about this. My two favourite guys on the roster right now, and with any luck this feud should be good enough and fresh enough to last all the way to WM24. Edge is the best heel in the company right now, and Taker gets the biggest pops - not only that, but this storyline involving Vickie Guerrero (despite being a complete disgrace and yet another example of the WWE crapping all over the legacy of Eddie) is a pretty superb way of upping the stakes even further. I can't wait for Edge to end the streak at WM24.

much as I like the taker/edge angle i would rather edge job at mania in a bloody battle, the undefeated streak should be kept until taker retires if you ask me.

Hopefully someone decent who isnt a former world champion will win the royal rumble this year (not mr kennedy, although i think he's great i wouldnt want to watch him as champ), i'd love CM Punk to win it (unlikely) or Morrison (unlikely) or even shelton (mega unlikely), that said, i wouldnt mind at all if Y2J won it, that would be awesome.

 

[Barney Rubble]

much as I like the taker/edge angle i would rather edge job at mania in a bloody battle, the undefeated streak should be kept until taker retires if you ask me.

Hopefully someone decent who isnt a former world champion will win the royal rumble this year (not mr kennedy, although i think he's great i wouldnt want to watch him as champ), i'd love CM Punk to win it (unlikely) or Morrison (unlikely) or even shelton (mega unlikely), that said, i wouldnt mind at all if Y2J won it, that would be awesome.

To be honest, I'm not bothered who wins between Edge and Taker, as long as it's the epic it deserves to be. Edge is the unsung hero of WWE for me, he's put his body the line a hell of a lot and has never gotten the "Hardcore" or "Extreme" gimmick he could so easily have gotten lumbered with like latter-day Foley or Jeff Hardy.

As for this year's Rumble, I think the winner depends on who the champions are going into it. Orton will still be there I'd expect, so a Y2J win wouldn't be out of the question - however, one rumour that's come to light recently is that the brand who doesn't win the Rumble will have their corresponding WM main event slot up for grabs in an Elimination Chamber at No Way Out. I'd have far less confidence in SD! putting on a good EC than Raw, so I'd bet on an SD! star winning the Rumble - i.e. Edge, seeing as 'Taker won it last year and I doubt they'd have him win consecutive Rumbles this late in his career.

I'd love nothing more than for CM Punk to win it, but I think they'll probably have him defend his title at the Rumble rather than enter the Rumble itself. Plus it looks like we're heading towards Edge vs Taker and Orton vs HHH at WM24, with the possible addition of HBK, Kennedy or Y2J to the Raw match. I'd also bet on Morrison vs Punk vs Benjamin potentially being a show-stealer, for whichever PPV they do it.

 

[Majin]

Gotta agree with sledger, the streak is something I think should stay unbroken. A great testament to the legacy 'Taker has created for himself. Although, I'd much, much prefer it to be Edge than Batista if it was going to happen.

Though, MITB without Edge will be sad. I hope Shelton is back in it this year.

 

[sledger]

I'd also bet on Morrison vs Punk vs Benjamin potentially being a show-stealer, for whichever PPV they do it

yeah definitely agree there, one match that would definitely be worth watching.

 

[sledger]

anyone else sad that it seems carlito is leaving the wwe? and even worse them doing their worst to bury him on his way out?

i mean ffs, losing to hornswoggle last week was an insult to a guy who is great on the mic and good in the ring...stupid E

 

[33/3from3.3]

Sad for him leaving? No. I'm sad for the 'E squashing him to the likes of Hornswaggle, no less.

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