Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
I feel sorry for poor old bagapath. The thread's getting quite long and his match still hasn't been simulated.
If Hayden can play Wasim, McGrath, Donald and Pollock, I think he can pretty much play anybody. Whereas the Windies batsmen did not face a spinner as good as Warne.I'd say that the WI ability to play quality spin is superior than someone like Hayden's ability to play quality pace.
I don't get this. If Gillespie is not comparable to Holding, Garner and Roberts stature wise, how is the difference between them small? Contradicting yourself it would seem.Stats yes, stature no.
The same with the latter comparison. Stats-wise, Gillespie is comparable, stature-wise no.
I know what you are saying, but you're trying to make the difference, which is small, essentially mean and decide the match? IMO, it just won't do it.
Why? The thing with the Windies is that they were all almost equal partners in a great attack whereas Gillespie clearly came after Warne and McGrath. For that, he does not have the same stature or is recognised in the same light, but his numbers speak for himself.I don't get this. If Gillespie is not comparable to Holding, Garner and Roberts stature wise, how is the difference between them small? Contradicting yourself it would seem.
I don't have time to prove it right now, but his stats are rather misleading if you look at them close enough. But thats not really relevant to this discussion anyway.Why? The thing with the Windies is that they were all almost equal partners in a great attack whereas Gillespie clearly came after Warne and McGrath. For that, he does not have the same stature or is recognised in the same light, but his numbers speak for himself.
See, what you posted at first made it seem that you were implying that Gillespie is similar to the three bowlers I had mentioned, when you are really saying that Gillespie's performance would have the same affect on the match as the bowling trio. Right?The thing is, yeah, most times Gillespie isn't going to perform as good as Holding or Roberts, but there are a fair few times he will and the difference between the two sides - victory or defeat - is not going to be split on if Gillespie performs better than them or not. All he has to do is take a wicket here or there. McGrath and Warne are enough to do most of the work. The Aussie attack doesn't need to come in equal parts the way the Windies are accustomed to.
If it's about keeping pressure, he can surely do that. If it is about taking wickets, he can clearly do that. If it is about being economical, very capable too. Essentially, what I am saying is that the match will not hinge on whether Gillespie is a couple runs more expensive than some of the Windies pacers or a few bowls slower.
West Indies:Gillespie 26.13 S/R of 54.9
Warne 25.41 S/R of 57.4
McGrath 21.64 S/R of 51.9
Lee 31.60 S/R of 53.1
Average
26.195 with a S/R of 54.325
262/10 from 90.3 overs
Holding 23.68 S/R of 50.9
Garner 20.97 S/R of 50.8
Roberts 25.61 S/R of 55.1
Marshall 20.94 S/R of 46.7
Average
22.8 with a S/R of 50.875
228/10 from 84.5 overs
No, what I am saying is that the role Gillespie has to play in the squad means he doesn't need to be as good as one of the other trio. Even being a bit worse is fine, it won't sway the match alone because the difference between them isn't that large.See, what you posted at first made it seem that you were implying that Gillespie is similar to the three bowlers I had mentioned, when you are really saying that Gillespie's performance would have the same affect on the match as the bowling trio. Right?
If that is the case, then I still disagree. I don't think McGrath and Warne would inflict enough damage on that WI lineup to the point that Gillespie wouldn't have to do very well. Dazza rarely had to perform well for Australia to win because the batting attacks were seldom strong and good enough to with hold those two in the first place. This WI batting is capable of easily taking apart McGrath and Warne at times and Gillespie would definitely have to perform superbly for Australia to do well in those times. The Australian bowling would have to bowl in tandem the way the WI attack used to.
2001 AUSTRALIA VS 1980 WEST INDIES at Sabina Park
5 day match
Pitch Condition: Excellent
1980 WEST INDIES WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST
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2001 AUSTRALIA 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden b. Holding 123 139 29 0 88.5%
Justin Langer c. Greenidge b. Holding 37 45 7 1 82.2%
Ricky Ponting lbw b. Marshall 93 122 21 0 76.2%
Mark Waugh c. Garner b. Marshall 101 145 19 0 69.7%
Steve Waugh c. Garner b. Roberts 45 101 9 0 44.6%
Damien Martyn c. Kalli'rran b. Garner 56 114 10 0 49.1%
Adam Gilchrist b. Holding 18 16 4 0 112.5%
Brett Lee lbw b. Garner 12 8 3 0 150.0%
Shane Warne c. Garner b. Roberts 18 43 4 0 41.9%
Jason Gillespie lbw b. Roberts 0 4 0 0 0.0%
Glenn McGrath not out 6 17 1 0 35.3%
Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15
Day 2 1:10 PM
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2001 AUSTRALIA Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
M Hayden J Langer þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 94 (106)
M Hayden R Ponting þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 135 (163)
M Waugh R Ponting þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 58 (71)
M Waugh S Waugh þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 107 (192)
M Waugh D Martyn þþþþ 18 (30)
Gilchrist D Martyn þþþþþþ 25 (34)
B Lee D Martyn þþþ 13 (10)
S Warne D Martyn þþþþþþþþþþþþþ 52 (104)
Gillespie D Martyn 0 (4)
G McGrath D Martyn þþþþþ 22 (37)
Fall of Wickets 94/1 229/2 287/3 394/4 412/5
437/6 450/7 502/8 502/9 524/10
Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15
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1980 WEST INDIES Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Joel Garner 24.1 4 113 2 4.68 1 1
Malcolm Marshall 32.0 4 145 2 4.53 0 1
Andy Roberts 27.0 8 100 3 3.70 0 0
Michael Holding 31.0 7 107 3 3.45 2 1
Viv Richards 6.0 1 36 0 6.00 0 0
Alvin Kallicharran 5.0 2 14 0 2.80 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 3 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 8 Byes: 1
Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15
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1980 WEST INDIES 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Gordon Greenidge c. Langer b. Gillespie 1 5 0 0 20.0%
Desmond Haynes lbw b. Lee 70 112 12 0 62.5%
Viv Richards lbw b. Lee 51 59 8 1 86.4%
Faoud Bacchus c. Hayden b. Gillespie 53 165 9 1 32.1%
Alvin Kallicharran b. Lee 105 168 21 0 62.5%
Clive Lloyd b. Gillespie 137 166 26 1 82.5%
Deryck Murray b. Gillespie 4 6 1 0 66.7%
Malcolm Marshall c. Martyn b. Warne 16 45 3 0 35.6%
Michael Holding lbw b. Lee 21 37 4 0 56.8%
Andy Roberts c. Lee b. Warne 25 54 5 0 46.3%
Joel Garner not out 3 16 0 0 18.8%
Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13
Day 3 4:55 PM
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1980 WEST INDIES Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
Greenidge D Haynes þ 1 (7)
V Richards D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 82 (108)
F Bacchus D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 56 (143)
F Bacchus Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 116 (194)
C Lloyd Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 125 (160)
C Lloyd D Murray þþ 8 (11)
C Lloyd M Marshall þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 60 (100)
M Holding M Marshall þþ 4 (6)
M Holding A Roberts þþþþþþþþ 32 (66)
J Garner A Roberts þþþþ 15 (38)
Fall of Wickets 1/1 83/2 139/3 255/4 380/5
388/6 448/7 452/8 484/9 499/10
Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13
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2001 AUSTRALIA Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn McGrath 28.0 4 99 0 3.54 0 1
Jason Gillespie 37.0 7 117 4 3.16 0 0
Brett Lee 32.0 7 115 4 3.59 0 3
Shane Warne 30.5 6 110 2 3.57 0 2
Ricky Ponting 3.0 0 29 0 9.67 0 0
Mark Waugh 8.0 3 22 0 2.75 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 6 Leg Byes: 7 Byes: 0
Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13
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2001 AUSTRALIA 2nd innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden c. Roberts b. Marshall 15 11 3 0 136.4%
Justin Langer c. Bacchus b. Holding 46 94 8 0 48.9%
Ricky Ponting b. Marshall 28 52 5 0 53.8%
Mark Waugh not out 100 142 19 0 70.4%
Steve Waugh c. Bacchus b. Garner 19 34 4 0 55.9%
Damien Martyn c. Haynes b. Garner 22 22 5 0 100.0%
Adam Gilchrist b. Garner 0 5 0 0 0.0%
Brett Lee b. Marshall 0 4 0 0 0.0%
Shane Warne c. Murray b. Kalli'rran 24 31 5 0 77.4%
Jason Gillespie b. Garner 13 57 2 0 22.8%
Glenn McGrath lbw b. Garner 0 7 0 0 0.0%
Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8
Day 4 4:01 PM
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2001 AUSTRALIA Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
M Hayden J Langer þþþþþþ 15 (12)
R Ponting J Langer þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 77 (139)
M Waugh J Langer þþþþ 10 (19)
M Waugh S Waugh þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 40 (56)
M Waugh D Martyn þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 35 (48)
M Waugh Gilchrist þþþþþ 12 (11)
M Waugh B Lee þ 3 (8)
M Waugh S Warne þþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 32 (44)
M Waugh Gillespie þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 51 (108)
M Waugh G McGrath 0 (13)
Fall of Wickets 15/1 92/2 102/3 142/4 177/5
189/6 192/7 224/8 275/9 275/10
Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8
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1980 WEST INDIES Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Joel Garner 19.2 5 74 5 3.83 1 0
Malcolm Marshall 18.0 0 73 3 4.06 0 1
Michael Holding 15.0 5 41 1 2.73 0 0
Andy Roberts 16.0 1 57 0 3.56 0 1
Alvin Kallicharran 7.0 0 26 1 3.71 0 1
Viv Richards 1.0 1 0 0 0.00 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 1 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 4 Byes: 0
Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8
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1980 WEST INDIES 2nd innings (Target: 301)
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Gordon Greenidge c. Lee b. Gillespie 21 28 5 0 75.0%
Desmond Haynes c. Warne b. Gillespie 60 60 13 1 100.0%
Viv Richards c. Gilchrist b. Gillespie 70 64 12 2 109.4%
Faoud Bacchus b. Lee 15 37 2 0 40.5%
Alvin Kallicharran c. Gilchrist b. Warne 48 37 9 1 129.7%
Clive Lloyd lbw b. Warne 15 23 2 1 65.2%
Deryck Murray b. M Waugh 6 33 0 0 18.2%
Malcolm Marshall not out 22 80 4 0 27.5%
Michael Holding b. Gillespie 14 28 3 0 50.0%
Andy Roberts b. Warne 4 6 1 0 66.7%
Joel Garner c. Hayden b. Lee 5 14 1 0 35.7%
Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9
Day 5 2:04 PM
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1980 WEST INDIES Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
Greenidge D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 49 (46)
V Richards D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 64 (68)
V Richards F Bacchus þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 47 (66)
V Richards Kalli'rran þþþþþþ 15 (12)
C Lloyd Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 40 (47)
D Murray Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþ 19 (20)
D Murray M Marshall þþþþþ 12 (55)
M Holding M Marshall þþþþþþþþ 19 (53)
A Roberts M Marshall þþ 5 (10)
J Garner M Marshall þþþþþþþþ 19 (33)
Fall of Wickets 49/1 113/2 160/3 175/4 215/5
234/6 246/7 265/8 270/9 289/10
Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9
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2001 AUSTRALIA Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn McGrath 14.0 2 63 0 4.50 0 1
Jason Gillespie 14.0 2 62 4 4.43 0 0
Brett Lee 16.2 4 57 2 3.49 0 1
Shane Warne 19.0 3 85 3 4.47 0 1
Mark Waugh 5.0 3 16 1 3.20 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 2 Byes: 4
Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9
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2001 Australia 524 & 275
1980 West Indies 499 & 289
2001 Australia won by 11 runs
Man of the match: Mark Waugh
LOL, Hayden always seems to do well in these. Gillespie was the best bowler!I remember simming a series like this quite a while ago on cricsim. I'll dig up the results of the first test.
Hrm.Code:2001 AUSTRALIA VS 1980 WEST INDIES at Sabina Park 5 day match Pitch Condition: Excellent 1980 WEST INDIES WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA 1st innings Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R Matthew Hayden b. Holding 123 139 29 0 88.5% Justin Langer c. Greenidge b. Holding 37 45 7 1 82.2% Ricky Ponting lbw b. Marshall 93 122 21 0 76.2% Mark Waugh c. Garner b. Marshall 101 145 19 0 69.7% Steve Waugh c. Garner b. Roberts 45 101 9 0 44.6% Damien Martyn c. Kalli'rran b. Garner 56 114 10 0 49.1% Adam Gilchrist b. Holding 18 16 4 0 112.5% Brett Lee lbw b. Garner 12 8 3 0 150.0% Shane Warne c. Garner b. Roberts 18 43 4 0 41.9% Jason Gillespie lbw b. Roberts 0 4 0 0 0.0% Glenn McGrath not out 6 17 1 0 35.3% Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15 Day 2 1:10 PM -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA Partnerships Batsmen Runs (Balls) M Hayden J Langer þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 94 (106) M Hayden R Ponting þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 135 (163) M Waugh R Ponting þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 58 (71) M Waugh S Waugh þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 107 (192) M Waugh D Martyn þþþþ 18 (30) Gilchrist D Martyn þþþþþþ 25 (34) B Lee D Martyn þþþ 13 (10) S Warne D Martyn þþþþþþþþþþþþþ 52 (104) Gillespie D Martyn 0 (4) G McGrath D Martyn þþþþþ 22 (37) Fall of Wickets 94/1 229/2 287/3 394/4 412/5 437/6 450/7 502/8 502/9 524/10 Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15 -X- 1980 WEST INDIES Bowling Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs Joel Garner 24.1 4 113 2 4.68 1 1 Malcolm Marshall 32.0 4 145 2 4.53 0 1 Andy Roberts 27.0 8 100 3 3.70 0 0 Michael Holding 31.0 7 107 3 3.45 2 1 Viv Richards 6.0 1 36 0 6.00 0 0 Alvin Kallicharran 5.0 2 14 0 2.80 0 0 EXTRAS Wides: 3 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 8 Byes: 1 Total: 524/10 Overs: 125.1 Run Rate: 4.19 Extras: 15 -X- 1980 WEST INDIES 1st innings Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R Gordon Greenidge c. Langer b. Gillespie 1 5 0 0 20.0% Desmond Haynes lbw b. Lee 70 112 12 0 62.5% Viv Richards lbw b. Lee 51 59 8 1 86.4% Faoud Bacchus c. Hayden b. Gillespie 53 165 9 1 32.1% Alvin Kallicharran b. Lee 105 168 21 0 62.5% Clive Lloyd b. Gillespie 137 166 26 1 82.5% Deryck Murray b. Gillespie 4 6 1 0 66.7% Malcolm Marshall c. Martyn b. Warne 16 45 3 0 35.6% Michael Holding lbw b. Lee 21 37 4 0 56.8% Andy Roberts c. Lee b. Warne 25 54 5 0 46.3% Joel Garner not out 3 16 0 0 18.8% Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13 Day 3 4:55 PM -X- 1980 WEST INDIES Partnerships Batsmen Runs (Balls) Greenidge D Haynes þ 1 (7) V Richards D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 82 (108) F Bacchus D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 56 (143) F Bacchus Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 116 (194) C Lloyd Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 125 (160) C Lloyd D Murray þþ 8 (11) C Lloyd M Marshall þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 60 (100) M Holding M Marshall þþ 4 (6) M Holding A Roberts þþþþþþþþ 32 (66) J Garner A Roberts þþþþ 15 (38) Fall of Wickets 1/1 83/2 139/3 255/4 380/5 388/6 448/7 452/8 484/9 499/10 Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13 -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA Bowling Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs Glenn McGrath 28.0 4 99 0 3.54 0 1 Jason Gillespie 37.0 7 117 4 3.16 0 0 Brett Lee 32.0 7 115 4 3.59 0 3 Shane Warne 30.5 6 110 2 3.57 0 2 Ricky Ponting 3.0 0 29 0 9.67 0 0 Mark Waugh 8.0 3 22 0 2.75 0 0 EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 6 Leg Byes: 7 Byes: 0 Total: 499/10 Overs: 138.5 Run Rate: 3.59 Extras: 13 -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA 2nd innings Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R Matthew Hayden c. Roberts b. Marshall 15 11 3 0 136.4% Justin Langer c. Bacchus b. Holding 46 94 8 0 48.9% Ricky Ponting b. Marshall 28 52 5 0 53.8% Mark Waugh not out 100 142 19 0 70.4% Steve Waugh c. Bacchus b. Garner 19 34 4 0 55.9% Damien Martyn c. Haynes b. Garner 22 22 5 0 100.0% Adam Gilchrist b. Garner 0 5 0 0 0.0% Brett Lee b. Marshall 0 4 0 0 0.0% Shane Warne c. Murray b. Kalli'rran 24 31 5 0 77.4% Jason Gillespie b. Garner 13 57 2 0 22.8% Glenn McGrath lbw b. Garner 0 7 0 0 0.0% Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8 Day 4 4:01 PM -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA Partnerships Batsmen Runs (Balls) M Hayden J Langer þþþþþþ 15 (12) R Ponting J Langer þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 77 (139) M Waugh J Langer þþþþ 10 (19) M Waugh S Waugh þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 40 (56) M Waugh D Martyn þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 35 (48) M Waugh Gilchrist þþþþþ 12 (11) M Waugh B Lee þ 3 (8) M Waugh S Warne þþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 32 (44) M Waugh Gillespie þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 51 (108) M Waugh G McGrath 0 (13) Fall of Wickets 15/1 92/2 102/3 142/4 177/5 189/6 192/7 224/8 275/9 275/10 Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8 -X- 1980 WEST INDIES Bowling Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs Joel Garner 19.2 5 74 5 3.83 1 0 Malcolm Marshall 18.0 0 73 3 4.06 0 1 Michael Holding 15.0 5 41 1 2.73 0 0 Andy Roberts 16.0 1 57 0 3.56 0 1 Alvin Kallicharran 7.0 0 26 1 3.71 0 1 Viv Richards 1.0 1 0 0 0.00 0 0 EXTRAS Wides: 1 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 4 Byes: 0 Total: 275/10 Overs: 76.2 Run Rate: 3.60 Extras: 8 -X- 1980 WEST INDIES 2nd innings (Target: 301) Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R Gordon Greenidge c. Lee b. Gillespie 21 28 5 0 75.0% Desmond Haynes c. Warne b. Gillespie 60 60 13 1 100.0% Viv Richards c. Gilchrist b. Gillespie 70 64 12 2 109.4% Faoud Bacchus b. Lee 15 37 2 0 40.5% Alvin Kallicharran c. Gilchrist b. Warne 48 37 9 1 129.7% Clive Lloyd lbw b. Warne 15 23 2 1 65.2% Deryck Murray b. M Waugh 6 33 0 0 18.2% Malcolm Marshall not out 22 80 4 0 27.5% Michael Holding b. Gillespie 14 28 3 0 50.0% Andy Roberts b. Warne 4 6 1 0 66.7% Joel Garner c. Hayden b. Lee 5 14 1 0 35.7% Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9 Day 5 2:04 PM -X- 1980 WEST INDIES Partnerships Batsmen Runs (Balls) Greenidge D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 49 (46) V Richards D Haynes þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 64 (68) V Richards F Bacchus þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 47 (66) V Richards Kalli'rran þþþþþþ 15 (12) C Lloyd Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 40 (47) D Murray Kalli'rran þþþþþþþþ 19 (20) D Murray M Marshall þþþþþ 12 (55) M Holding M Marshall þþþþþþþþ 19 (53) A Roberts M Marshall þþ 5 (10) J Garner M Marshall þþþþþþþþ 19 (33) Fall of Wickets 49/1 113/2 160/3 175/4 215/5 234/6 246/7 265/8 270/9 289/10 Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9 -X- 2001 AUSTRALIA Bowling Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs Glenn McGrath 14.0 2 63 0 4.50 0 1 Jason Gillespie 14.0 2 62 4 4.43 0 0 Brett Lee 16.2 4 57 2 3.49 0 1 Shane Warne 19.0 3 85 3 4.47 0 1 Mark Waugh 5.0 3 16 1 3.20 0 0 EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 2 Byes: 4 Total: 289/10 Overs: 68.2 Run Rate: 4.23 Extras: 9 -X- 2001 Australia 524 & 275 1980 West Indies 499 & 289 2001 Australia won by 11 runs Man of the match: Mark Waugh
Mainly beacuse you can't take into account Hayden's deficiencies against good quality pace bowling (for example) on these simulators, because you can only input statistics. Hayden has an average of 53, though I can't explain Gillespie being pretty amazing while McGrath is inneffective.LOL, Hayden always seems to do well in these. Gillespie was the best bowler!
Myth my man, MYTH! But honestly, the crap that goes about with Hayden not being good against quality pace is kinda silly. All good pace bowling takes wickets. Took Gavaskar's wickets; took Bradman's wickets and will continue to take wickets. But yeah, take these Sims as evidence .Mainly beacuse you can't take into account Hayden's deficiencies against good quality pace bowling (for example) on these simulators, because you can only input statistics. Hayden has an average of 53, though I can't explain Gillespie being pretty amazing while McGrath is inneffective.
Because Hayden has an average of 53, which is pretty high. These sort of simulators don't take into account anything other than average, which is why Hayden prospers.LOL, Hayden always seems to do well in these. Gillespie was the best bowler!
All lies!Because Hayden has an average of 53, which is pretty high. These sort of simulators don't take into account anything other than average, which is why Hayden prospers.
Yeah, I have. Created a team of Bradmans with 99 batting average and 1 bowling average and pitted them against a team with 1 batting average and 99 bowling average. The simulator broke so I just played against Bangladesh.Has anyone ever tried experimenting with these simulators, like giving every player in one team a batting average of 1000 and every player in the other team an average of 6.
Date: 11-03-2007
ALIENS VS BANGLADESH at Alien Homeworld
5 day match
Pitch Condition: Excellent
BANGLADESH WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST
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ALIENS 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Alien 1 c. Shahriar b. Murtaza 25 37 6 0 67.6%
Alien 2 c. Imran b. Murtaza 328 417 75 1 78.7%
Alien 3 c. Shahriar b. Murtaza 17 52 4 0 32.7%
Alien 4 b. Islam 235 301 50 2 78.1%
Alien 5 b. Murtaza 13 32 3 0 40.6%
Alien 6 b. Rafique 185 245 40 1 75.5%
Alien 7 c. Ashraful b. Murtaza 212 253 45 1 83.8%
Alien 8 c. Shahriar b. Murtaza 62 74 14 0 83.8%
Alien 9 b. Murtaza 54 81 11 0 66.7%
Alien 10 lbw b. Murtaza 12 33 2 0 36.4%
Alien 11 not out 1 2 0 0 50.0%
Total: 1176/10 Overs: 253.5 Run Rate: 4.63 Extras: 32
Day 3 3:57 PM
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ALIENS Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
A 1 A 2 þþþ 54 (74)
A 3 A 2 þþþþ 64 (114)
A 4 A 2 þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 479 (586)
A 5 A 2 þþ 37 (55)
A 5 A 6 þ 1 (16)
A 7 A 6 þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 385 (469)
A 7 A 8 þþ 36 (40)
A 9 A 8 þþþþþþ 83 (97)
A 9 A 10 þþ 36 (69)
A 9 A 11 þ 1 (3)
Fall of Wickets 54/1 118/2 597/3 634/4 635/5
1020/6 1056/7 1139/8 1175/9 1176/10
Total: 1176/10 Overs: 253.5 Run Rate: 4.63 Extras: 32
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BANGLADESH Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Mashrafi Murtaza 70.5 19 257 8 3.63 1 3
Manjurul Islam 64.0 11 327 1 5.11 0 2
Mohammad Rafique 88.0 15 446 1 5.07 2 4
Mohammad Ashraful 22.0 8 57 0 2.59 0 0
Alok Kopali 9.0 1 70 0 7.78 1 0
EXTRAS Wides: 4 No Balls: 9 Leg Byes: 17 Byes: 2
Total: 1176/10 Overs: 253.5 Run Rate: 4.63 Extras: 32
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BANGLADESH 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Hannan Sarker c. 8 b. 9 4 14 1 0 28.6%
Al Shahriar b. 10 0 11 0 0 0.0%
Habibul Bashar b. 6 0 8 0 0 0.0%
Ehsanul Haque c. 4 b. 9 2 13 0 0 15.4%
Tushar Imran lbw b. 11 11 41 0 0 26.8%
Mohammad Ashraful c. 2 b. 9 0 3 0 0 0.0%
Alok Kopali b. 6 12 41 2 0 29.3%
Khaled Mashud not out 26 57 6 0 45.6%
Mohammad Rafique c. 1 b. 10 4 14 1 0 28.6%
Mashrafi Murtaza c. 7 b. 9 19 25 4 0 76.0%
Manjurul Islam c. 7 b. 11 0 6 0 0 0.0%
Total: 82/10 Overs: 38.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 4
Day 4 11:33 AM
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BANGLADESH Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
H Sarker A Shahriar þ 4 (23)
H Sarker H Bashar 0 (3)
E Haque H Bashar þ 2 (18)
E Haque T Imran þ 2 (5)
M Ashraful T Imran 0 (3)
A Kopali T Imran þþþþþþ 14 (62)
K Mashud T Imran þþþþþ 12 (25)
K Mashud M Rafique þþþþþ 12 (26)
K Mashud M Murtaza þþþþþþþþþþþþ 28 (56)
K Mashud M Islam þþþ 8 (12)
Fall of Wickets 4/1 4/2 6/3 8/4 8/5
22/6 34/7 46/8 74/9 82/10
Total: 82/10 Overs: 38.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 4
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ALIENS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Alien 10 6.0 1 19 2 3.17 0 0
Alien 9 11.0 4 19 4 1.73 0 0
Alien 6 9.0 3 16 2 1.78 0 1
Alien 8 7.0 4 8 0 1.14 0 0
Alien 11 5.5 2 17 2 2.91 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 1 Leg Byes: 1 Byes: 2
Total: 82/10 Overs: 38.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 4
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BANGLADESH 2nd innings (Follow on)
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Hannan Sarker c. 4 b. 10 47 90 8 0 52.2%
Al Shahriar b. 10 4 25 1 0 16.0%
Habibul Bashar b. 6 8 27 1 0 29.6%
Ehsanul Haque c. 7 b. 11 33 85 7 0 38.8%
Tushar Imran c. 2 b. 9 9 27 2 0 33.3%
Mohammad Ashraful lbw b. 11 0 10 0 0 0.0%
Alok Kopali b. 9 0 4 0 0 0.0%
Khaled Mashud lbw b. 8 3 15 0 0 20.0%
Mohammad Rafique b. 10 22 33 5 0 66.7%
Mashrafi Murtaza lbw b. 8 20 36 3 0 55.6%
Manjurul Islam not out 0 18 0 0 0.0%
Total: 159/10 Overs: 61.2 Run Rate: 2.59 Extras: 13
Day 4 4:38 PM
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BANGLADESH Partnerships
Batsmen Runs (Balls)
H Sarker A Shahriar þþþþþþ 15 (52)
H Sarker H Bashar þþþþþþþþþþ 24 (48)
H Sarker E Haque þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 35 (97)
T Imran E Haque þþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 33 (52)
T Imran M Ashraful þþ 5 (12)
A Kopali M Ashraful 0 (6)
A Kopali K Mashud þ 2 (7)
M Rafique K Mashud þ 2 (18)
M Rafique M Murtaza þþþþþþþþþþþþ 28 (37)
M Islam M Murtaza þþþþþþ 15 (39)
Fall of Wickets 15/1 39/2 74/3 107/4 112/5
112/6 114/7 116/8 144/9 159/10
Total: 159/10 Overs: 61.2 Run Rate: 2.59 Extras: 13
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ALIENS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Alien 10 11.0 2 26 3 2.36 0 0
Alien 9 10.0 2 19 2 1.90 1 1
Alien 6 15.0 5 25 1 1.67 0 0
Alien 11 15.0 3 58 2 3.87 1 0
Alien 8 10.2 2 21 2 2.03 0 0
EXTRAS Wides: 2 No Balls: 1 Leg Byes: 4 Byes: 6
Total: 159/10 Overs: 61.2 Run Rate: 2.59 Extras: 13
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Aliens 1176
Bangladesh 82 & 159
Aliens won by an innings and 935 runs
Man of the match: Alien 2
Miller doesn't have a high batting average yet gets a lot. Bradman has the highest average and still doesn't have a century in the other simulation thread.Because Hayden has an average of 53, which is pretty high. These sort of simulators don't take into account anything other than average, which is why Hayden prospers.