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kiwipostereborn

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I can't believe that a couple of people are thinking about leaving oram out :blink:
Are you serious? Even if he doesn't bowl he is the best no 6 batsman we have.
Look at his test average and the opposition he has done it against. How can you say he can't play no 6 when he played that awesome century vs aus when our top order fell apart as usual. what about all his superb knocks vs south africa?
Both him and styris are automatic selection I'd go as far as to say Oram is a more reliable test batsman than Fleming is.

The problem with this test team is the openers imo. Name another quality test side that has two openers who are gonna struggle to keep the run-rate above 3? we are living in the past. To win test series vs good sides you have to take charge with your batting. If these openers were as good as mark richardson I would not complain. I'm happy with papps there but not along with cumming. He is a 30 average player at test level at best and thats just no point especially when he adds no momentum.
Just surviving for sessions without scoring runs is not useful.

If we want to beat sides like Sa and England away from home we have to think outside the square. I'd have opened with mccullum and papps. Say what you want but over 10 tests I have no doubt Mccullum would do a better job than cumming opening the batting.

Anyway he has been selected so good luck to him anyway.

My team for the first test from this squad (bracewell already said cumming and papps opening so I won't change that)

1.Papps
2.Cumming
3.Fleming
4. Vincent/Taylor
5.Styris
6. Oram
7. Mccullum
8. Vettori
9. Bond
10. Gillespie/Patel (depends on pitch)
11. Martin

or maybe pick both vincent and taylor and leave out gillespie and patel.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
kiwipostereborn said:
I can't believe that a couple of people are thinking about leaving oram out :blink:
Are you serious? Even if he doesn't bowl he is the best no 6 batsman we have.
Look at his test average and the opposition he has done it against. How can you say he can't play no 6 when he played that awesome century vs aus when our top order fell apart as usual. what about all his superb knocks vs south africa?
Both him and styris are automatic selection I'd go as far as to say Oram is a more reliable test batsman than Fleming is.

The problem with this test team is the openers imo. Name another quality test side that has two openers who are gonna struggle to keep the run-rate above 3? we are living in the past. To win test series vs good sides you have to take charge with your batting. If these openers were as good as mark richardson I would not complain. I'm happy with papps there but not along with cumming. He is a 30 average player at test level at best and thats just no point especially when he adds no momentum.
Just surviving for sessions without scoring runs is not useful.

If we want to beat sides like Sa and England away from home we have to think outside the square. I'd have opened with mccullum and papps. Say what you want but over 10 tests I have no doubt Mccullum would do a better job than cumming opening the batting.

Anyway he has been selected so good luck to him anyway.

My team for the first test from this squad (bracewell already said cumming and papps opening so I won't change that)

1.Papps
2.Cumming
3.Fleming
4. Vincent/Taylor
5.Styris
6. Oram
7. Mccullum
8. Vettori
9. Bond
10. Gillespie/Patel (depends on pitch)
11. Martin

or maybe pick both vincent and taylor and leave out gillespie and patel.
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This is surely 16 Tins of spam, Voltman or Fiery returning to CW to wind us up. Especially with a username like yours.

And a question for you, are you mental? I'm serious here, McCullum open in tests? I know who you are! You're John Bracewell!!!!!

As for Oram being the best No.6 Bat we have. He scores most of his runs at 7 or 8. I'm sure Vincent or Taylor would be a better bet there.

And as for Oram more consistent and better than Stephen Fleming!!! I am seriously tempted to hunt you down and punish you for your insolence!

I'm starting to think you're Fiery now TBH. He'd love to wind me up by saying Oram>Fleming.

As for Martin's selection in that team: No, just no.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Flem274* said:
This is surely 16 Tins of spam, Voltman or Fiery returning to CW to wind us up. Especially with a username like yours.

And a question for you, are you mental? I'm serious here, McCullum open in tests? I know who you are! You're John Bracewell!!!!!

As for Oram being the best No.6 Bat we have. He scores most of his runs at 7 or 8. I'm sure Vincent or Taylor would be a better bet there.

And as for Oram more consistent and better than Stephen Fleming!!! I am seriously tempted to hunt you down and punish you for your insolence!

I'm starting to think you're Fiery now TBH. He'd love to wind me up by saying Oram>Fleming.

As for Martin's selection in that team: No, just no.
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Mostly agreed. McCullum is probably a better bet as an opener in test matches than he is in one dayers, given he probably wouldn't have the desperate urge to hit a six every ball, but on the whole its still a pretty silly suggestion. As is the idea that openers need to score at 3 an over. I'd be perfectly happy to accept an opening partnership that scored at 2 runs an over, if they got through the new ball most of the time. Leave the middle order bashers to push the runrate up later, we've got plenty of them.

Oram is fine at no. 6. His bowling is so weak these days that he's now really just styris + bounce - swing. He might pick up the odd wicket or two, but you can't really justify his selection in the test side as an all rounder. He has to be in the side as a batsman, and he's good enough (except against Murali, when he looks rubbish) to fulfill that role. Vincent or Taylor at 5, Vettori at 8, and 3 seamers to round out the side. Bond obviously, Martin is deservedly second, and any old rubbish will do as the third seamer until Franklin's return (which had better be sooner rather than later).

Franklin and Mill's absence is particularly troubling as it throws the balance of the side out somewhat. We need a strong lower order to make up for the rubbish we send over the top into the opening positions. New Zealand, over the last few years, has had by far the strongest lower order in the world and we've needed it to bring respectability to a distinctly ordinary batting lineup. With a genuine tail now present I have the depressing feeling we may post some pretty poor totals against the saffers.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Flem274* said:
This is surely 16 Tins of spam, Voltman or Fiery returning to CW to wind us up. Especially with a username like yours.
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Haha, no chance. Voltman's already done so, and 16toS left in disgust, and Fiery left because of "work and family commitments", so I don't expect to see either back any time soon.
 
K

kiwipostereborn

Banned
No I am psxpro returning but I'm sure no one remembers (the guy banned for no reason). Please give me one more chance...

Anyway Oram's records show he IS a more consistent batsman than Fleming.
Why not mccullum open? did you not watch his innings of 96 at lords when he came in at 3? He looked more comfortable as a top order batsman than any other NZ batsman in test cricket apart from Richardson in the last 10 years. Real talk.

Tell me why you don't think oram is a good enough no 6? and dont talk about him being a no 7 and technical rubbish. Whats the difference between a no 6 and 7 for a kiwi batsman? He has come in when the score is 150/5 and scored century vs an aussie attack that included MCgrath, warne etc.

The same bowlers than 90% of the time have worked fleming out. Oram is one of the most reliable batsmen in the country along with styris.
 
Raghav

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
kiwipostereborn said:
No I am psxpro returning but I'm sure no one remembers (the guy banned for no reason). Please give me one more chance...

Anyway Oram's records show he IS a more consistent batsman than Fleming.
Why not mccullum open? did you not watch his innings of 96 at lords when he came in at 3? He looked more comfortable as a top order batsman than any other NZ batsman in test cricket apart from Richardson in the last 10 years. Real talk.

Tell me why you don't think oram is a good enough no 6? and dont talk about him being a no 7 and technical rubbish. Whats the difference between a no 6 and 7 for a kiwi batsman? He has come in when the score is 150/5 and scored century vs an aussie attack that included MCgrath, warne etc.

The same bowlers than 90% of the time have worked fleming out. Oram is one of the most reliable batsmen in the country along with styris.
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Do you want to put a lot of workload on him? Why do you want your wicket keeper to open the innings after keeping the wickets for so longtime?
 
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