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Indian Cricket League thread

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Those boards would feel the ICL is a direct threat to their revenues and power, which obviously English County Cricket is not. To them, there is a huge difference.
Its all about the big bucks.

Its not just BCCI versus ICL it is Zee TV who were thrown out after having legitimately won the TVrights from the old (Dalmiya mangement) versus Star which was alotted the rights completely out of turn which was again overturned by the Pawar led new management which handed the rights to a new sports channel for India and Star (among others) for overseas tours. And now BCCI is trying to put Gavaskar (employed by Star) against Kapil who is employed by Star.

Any bovine excreta that kapil or Pawar (or anyone else) gives about cricket being there only concern, should be ignored as any gooeey stuff should be. It always has been and still is about the mega bucks. If in this fight to outdo each other the second rung cricketers make more money one should be happy about it. Test is just pure and simple BS.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
More hypocrisy from the BCCI; they're banning the ICL players from playing under the BCCI ever again, but won't ban the sponsors of the ICL from bidding for BCCI sponsorships.

This is a clear indication that the BCCI have no legal right to ban the ICL players from playing under the BCCI. Obviously companies have more resources to mount a legal challenge upon the BCCI if they were stopped from bidding for sponsorship rights, something the players can't do without a lot of headaches.
I think someone heard you. :)

Its just been flashed on TV that ICL has filed a suit in Delhi High Court against BCCI for banning the cricketers or denying older cricketers from their pensions.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Its all about the big bucks.

Its not just BCCI versus ICL it is Zee TV who were thrown out after having legitimately won the TVrights from the old (Dalmiya mangement) versus Star which was alotted the rights completely out of turn which was again overturned by the Pawar led new management which handed the rights to a new sports channel for India and Star (among others) for overseas tours. And now BCCI is trying to put Gavaskar (employed by Star) against Kapil who is employed by Star.

Any bovine excreta that kapil or Pawar (or anyone else) gives about cricket being there only concern, should be ignored as any gooeey stuff should be. It always has been and still is about the mega bucks. If in this fight to outdo each other the second rung cricketers make more money one should be happy about it. Test is just pure and simple BS.
As Packer's fight with Nine against the ACB and ABC was all those years ago.

These people do not care if they make everyday cricketers lives better or not. The cricketers are simply lucky if that is a by-product.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
BCCI's Professional Cricket League may be better than ICL in terms of cricket played- at least it's official.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
BCCI's Professional Cricket League may be better than ICL in terms of cricket played- at least it's official.
Sure.

The problem may now be who getsto decide who decides what or which is "official". ICC ? What would ICC do if there were two BCCI's ? It is just a private company remember.
 

R_D

International Debutant
I think someone heard you. :)

Its just been flashed on TV that ICL has filed a suit in Delhi High Court against BCCI for banning the cricketers or denying older cricketers from their pensions.
Best news.... it was bound to happen sooner or later.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Sure.

The problem may now be who getsto decide who decides what or which is "official". ICC ? What would ICC do if there were two BCCI's ? It is just a private company remember.
What I$C$C recognises is the B$C$C$I - anything else is just someone wanting control and not having it.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Couldn't really see them doing anything else TBH.

Wonder how much potential Kiwi involvement in this Twenty20 "Professional Cricket League" there'll end-up being?
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
http://www.sportstaronnet.com/stories/20070901501301400.htm

The game has just begun - Vijay Lokapally.

When Kapil Dev got the offer to join the executive board of the Indian Cricket League, a venture promoted by Subhash Chandra of the Essel Group, he gave it a serious thought before taking up the challenge.

Kapil accepted the job not only for the fabulous financial contract ICL offered him, but also for bringing together cricketers for what he termed as an alternative to the present cricket structure in the country. “There is no harm if the youngst ers make big money,” was how the former Indian all-rounder responded.

However, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) was not amused. It sacked Kapil as Chairman of the National Cricket Academy.

It was not that Kapil was not willing to perform his duties at the NCA; he was just not given a free hand. He dared the BCCI to sack him. The Board, according to Kapil, had always been suspicious of the players, and even now nothing had changed.

Subhash Chandra had an axe to grind. Sore over not being able to secure the television rights, he was determined to embarrass the BCCI. And he hit upon a breakaway cricket league as the best way of achieving his goal. He then joined hands with Kapil Dev, and ICL was born.

According to Kapil, one of the main reasons why he joined ICL was that he was disturbed seeing the state of some of his former colleagues who were struggling to lead a decent life.

Through ICL, he looked at the possibility of forming a pool of youngsters who would not have to worry about their future. No doubt money, according to Kapil, was an important aspect, but cricket too was a prime factor.

However, as far as the Board was concerned, Kapil was a villain. It claimed to have communicated with the former India captain, but the end result was an acrimonious parting of ways between the two.

There was talk of ICL luring some big names such as Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Brian Lara etc. Only Lara has so far accepted the offer.

ICL may not have landed a big catch, but it has attracted some youngsters in India, most of them good enough to play for the country in the near future but fully convinced that the BCCI’s system did not encourage them. These youngsters have sacrificed their dream of playing for the country one day for a financially secure future.

The exodus from Hyderabad — seven players, including Ambati Rayudu crossed over to the ICL camp — is seen as a result of the players’ discontent at the way the state association runs the game. Former India players such as Erapalli Prasanna, Sandeep Patil and Madan Lal too seemed unhappy with the way cricket was run in the country and decided to join ICL. “It was frustrating,” Patil said.

The fanfare surrounding the breakaway league notwithstanding, ICL has a bumpy ride ahead. The initial enthusiasm and investment will not last long unless the returns are good.

So, ICL will have to think in terms of innovations, which certainly is not an easy task. No doubt the Twenty20 format is an ideal vehicle for ICL to launch its plans, but the novelty factor will depend on how the cricket lovers respond.

Though the BCCI had instructed its affiliates not to lend their grounds for the rebel matches, ICL is confident of going ahead with its plans. Getting grounds for the matches, according to Kapil, was not a big issue, with the West Bengal Government and the Railway Ministry coming forward to offer their grounds.

ICL is planning to have its first camp for the 48 players in Chennai, Kapil said. “The boys have to come together to prepare for the league.”

To start with, ICL will have six teams. This could go up to 16 teams in two years’ time, with a coach to provide tactical acumen. ICL also has elaborate plans to set up nurseries and academies aimed at spotting talent and grooming them.

“Not everyone gets to play for his state. There are many who would have been victimised by the selection policy of most of our state associations. At ICL, the selection will be based on performance only. I expect many youngsters to benefit from the guidance ICL coaches will provide,” said Madan Lal, the former India fast bowler who has agreed to a coaching contract with the breakaway league.

The matches will be played under floodlights. The aim is to target the TV audience. Each team is expected to have four international players, two Indian and eight promising youngsters.


ICL, set up with a corpus fund of Rs. 100 crore, will offer Rs. 4.5 crore as prize money. It will make use of the expertise of Tony Greig and Dean Jones in the administration of its league.

ICL will need a right mix of overseas stars and current national players. The focus is, no doubt, on entertainment with the backing of a dedicated television channel. The structure of the Twenty20 format encourages people to follow ICL purely as an entertainment.

ICL is an untapped medium, and it is for the Essel Group to package it as a great entertainment. It has the huge advantage of reaching the Indian households through a variety of TV channels.

Though established as a result of the friction between the Essel Group and the BCCI, ICL certainly promises entertainment. Imagine a Priyanka Chopra in a commentator’s role or a Shahrukh Khan giving pitch report. Passion will have to be created and much depends on how ICL markets its league, how it sells the concept to the public and the sponsors. Merchandising is the key here.

Some sort of irony this: Kapil wanting to serve the game and the Board crushing his plans. Kapil never played Twenty20 cricket, while the BCCI was initially opposed to this format. However, both are now using the Twenty20 format to get back at each other.

The birth of ICL has also forced the BCCI to plan its own international Twenty20 league.
 

neutralguy

U19 Debutant
Some good words from harsha bhogle on indian express.,

Good ICL debut will be good for Indian cricket, best for BCCI


The BCCI may be forced to look at the reality of Indian cricket in the eye rather than offer it a bored, distracted glance
HARSHABHOGLE

Posted online: Friday, August 24, 2007 at 0000 hours IST


The ICL isn’t about cricket, neither is the BCCI. One is, and the other hopes to be, about making profits in a booming market. There isn’t anything wrong with that as long as you state it upfront. And yet, by nature’s wonderful way of sorting things, a confrontation is on the cards and both, at least the BCCI, will be forced to think about Indian cricket, that poor little rich kid that nobody loves.
That is why challenges are good, that is the positive side of free market existence. We are all driven out of comfort zones and forced to confront the truth. Batsmen rediscover the urge to play longer innings when a younger challenger knocks at the door, writers spend an hour more on their columns, airlines drop prices and offer better deals. The BCCI may be forced to look at the reality of Indian cricket in the eye rather than offer it a bored, distracted glance. What fun.

All sport has to be about three things. Revenues and therefore, profits; the players; and the spectators. Normally, in a good competitive environment, the first of those should derive from the second and the third.

If the players are well prepared and play good cricket, the spectators and viewers come in and revenues rise. But in a monopoly, you don’t have to worry too much about players and spectators; just as Indian Airlines didn’t need to worry too much about passengers. But if the ICL does reasonably well, and provides the players and the spectators with an option, the BCCI will be forced to think about them; like Indian Airlines had to with the arrival of private carriers.

And so I think the BCCI will be forced to stop doing stupid things like going to Australia seven or eight days before the first Test with only one three-day game to get used to the conditions. At the moment, I am pretty certain they know it is wrong but I am just as certain they don’t worry too much about it because revenues are independent of players and spectators, products and customers. But if India look unprepared for Australia and do badly, and if viewers have the option of switching, the BCCI might be forced into doing something right. There is always another way of getting there, remember!

At the moment though, the ICL is a concoction of has-beens and never-will-bes. And you have to wonder about some of the former players jumping at the opportunity of filling their pockets. They are a bit like call centre companies—anyone who wants a job is welcome—but I guess they have no choice at the moment for they must start with they have. But it is in their long term intent that I believe their success will eventually lie. Zee have been quick off the blocks with most things they have done in television but it is their vision that will be tested.

They have had chief executives walk in and out every year, ambitious programmes vanish quietly and while they give the impression of being nimble you don’t always know if they are in it for the long haul. If I was a young cricketer today, I would want to be convinced of intent.

There are also three key questions: who, where and when? We have some inkling of the who but have no idea of the when and the where. What are the teams going to be called? Are they looking to establish a culture of city rivalry? If, for example, Mumbai is one of the teams, are there enough players from Mumbai for the Mumbaikar to wear a team shirt with pride? The US leagues can do that and so can the Premiership (how many London players, or for that matter England players, are there at Chelsea and Arsenal?) because they have a long history of local affiliation.

The irony of it all is that Lalit Modi wanted to start a similar league ten years ago and found the door being shut on him by the BCCI. Now Modi is in the BCCI and his organisation is shutting the door on what was really his idea! But there is an opportunity here, maybe two, for the BCCI. If more players leave the Ranji Trophy it can actually become more competitive because Indian cricket needs fewer, not more, players.

And they can start a similar league that could well be more attractive and profitable. But will they? If you are used to having people come to you to buy tickets it is very difficult to go to them to sell tickets!

I hope the ICL has a good debut though it seems that they are more at the start of a steeplechase than in the final straight. It will be good for Indian cricket and, if they want to look at it that way, best for the BCCI!
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Wow, looks like they are going all out and have offered McGrath and Warne $610,000 a year.

Which, in case you are keeping track is about 2x what Rahul Dravid, as the captain of India, earns in 12 months of playing at home and touring.

And the ICL season is only like 3-4 weeks! Insane.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Well the Subhush Chandras and Kerry Packers of this World do tend to be able to throw fair sums about, TBH...
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well the Subhush Chandras and Kerry Packers of this World do tend to be able to throw fair sums about, TBH...
Indeed, haven't really been following the saga in that much depth, but it's going to be very interesting to see how it pans out.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Big names? Chris Harris is what is going to drag ICL into the limelight. You heard it here first.
 

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