nope, Warne had unusually strong wrists, something evident when he bats.... You CANNOT develop that. Y not ban him? AFter all, that is the reason for his super efficient flippers and bouncers.....
cheating? Since when has playing within the rules become cheating?
so do Bond, Cairns, VEttori and all...... All these cheaters play for NZ though. Wud luv to hear ur opinion on them....it is your ignorance to not to find that he is illegal bowler
Again and again u keep saying as though that Murali is what he is BECAUSE of his deformity. Why didn't he set the world on fire when he started, then, a la Warney?
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nope, after corrective action his doosra came down to less than 5 degrees or so of flex, IIRR..... McGrath, Gillespie and Pollock had more flex than that. Again, the fact got buttered up in Aussie media, I guess, where they must have been paying more attention to the fact that his doosra was 14 degrees before corrective action....How many as bad as Murali though?
I still think the rules were changed for his benifit and still think my eye is right
really? Did u ever even care to follow what truly happened in those studies or were u just too happy to just only read selectively whatever supported ur PoV?
they did real time tests as well, but I seem to remember that the margin of error was 2 degrees or 3 and so we can't say accurately using those, but the general finding was that all those bowlers chucked and quite a few more than Murali with his stock ball..... And even his doosra, after corrective action....
Not in a Test Match though, only in a lab. We still don't know how much he bends his arm in a Test. When they can test it there I will be happy, until then I am not convinced
I don't remember that, how could it be done during a Test Match?
bent arm is not illegal and neither was it illegal under the old rules.....
I was sent a very long report by someone (nameless as they asked me to keep it that way), I read it all, and was happy with the tests that they carried out, but still have to admit I had doubts, and even in that report, the author hoped that soon they would be able to carry it out in a Test Match, and then they would be proved right. I hope they do, as I think Murali gives 100% on the field, but I don't think he bowls fairly
Yes mate I am aware
Just as I am sure you are aware that I know the laws of the game
An Aussie tennis player (I think Laver, but not sure) was told by his coach to squeeze a squash ball as often as he could while a youngster, he ended up with his left wrist twice the size of his right
It was proved that Hair acted like an idiot and was riding too much of a high horse to be an international umpire. To be specific, he lacked something which must be the first thing an international official should possess: common sense and he was banned because of that. Quite funny how firing an incompetent employee generates so much argument simply because the body is ICC and the employee is Darrell Hair......The first point you raise is fair enough & I did actually qualify what I said to accepted (in the sense that an umpire's probity isn't called into question if he makes an incorrect shout on an LBW), but does rather miss my point, which was that if the technology is available why isn't it used? My question was rhetorical in case that wasn't initially clear. The obvious answer is that there isn't the political will behind it to force the change through. Murali's action (& by extension chucking) is a cause celeb in a way the use of Hawkeye isn't.
The second point (whilst appreciating you may just be playing devil's advocate) is rather easier to counter. Not enforcing a law because it might ruin a transgressor’s career doesn't seem a very compelling reason not to enforce it. Moreover, accusations of chucking haven't done Murali's career too much damage, have they? 700 & counting, isn't it?
You aren't serious, are you? Hair was removed from the test umpire's list largely at the behest of the south Asian test nations. If his judgement was held to be untainted by bias his exile makes literally no sense whatsoever.
Why tho? Why is it not ok to hurt the feelings of someone who is contravening the laws of the game? No one would dream of letting someone who'd failed a drug test continue playing in a game for fear of humiliating him (or her).
Chucking is a serious accusation, but let's get some perspective here, sportspeople constantly bend & breaks laws in an attempt to gain an advantage in any way they can. Why should chucking be seen as somehow the exception that no-one would possibly ever countenance? Could it just possibly be that some bowlers bend (ha!) the laws on flexion to gain an edge over the opposition on occasion?* If so, shouldn't they be punished?
*I'd just like to add, for legal reasons, there is no suggestion that Muttiah Muralitharan is one of them.
wonder why all the batters from austrlia, england, RSA etc couldn't do that then, as it would have helped them play spin better than they have been doing...An Aussie tennis player (I think Laver, but not sure) was told by his coach to squeeze a squash ball as often as he could while a youngster, he ended up with his left wrist twice the size of his right
Different topic, I think Hair was in the right, if Pakistan would have waited to the end of the match instead of acting like spoilt little boys then you may have a point
Agreed, but you can improve stronger wrists, and you said you can't, small pointwonder why all the batters from austrlia, england, RSA etc couldn't do that then, as it would have helped them play spin better than they have been doing...
Not as simple as A telling B that by doing C, u can gain D. It is obvious that strong wrists are something u are simply born with. You can enhance ur wrist strength with work in gym and squashing squash balls but you can't gain what a guy naturally has already....
Uhh what, how does Pakistan's dire behavior excuse Hair's dire behavior? Both sides were pathetic.