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Dasa

International Vice-Captain
I'm not the one making excuses.
Well, yes you are. He didn't say it led to him losing his wicket, you're saying that. I think KP is professional enough and experienced enough to be able to deal with a beamer. At the very least, even if he was shaken up enough to lose his wicket, edging the ball behind and being given not out should've woken him up and when he finally was out, he didn't fall playing a reckless shot or doing anything out of the ordinary - he was gone to a very good delivery.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
In baseball, as every ball is a beamer by cricket's standards and travels a lot quicker than a cricket delivery, do batters get hit a lot from mis directed pitches?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
They don't get hit a lot, but they do get hit. Pitchers are ejected for multiple violations, and it's a free walk to the batsman if he gets hit. Usually its hands and shoulders that are hit. Pitches straight to the batsman's head are rare, and results in an immediate ejection.


Wikipedia said:
Inside pitching is a common and legal tactic in baseball, and many players make use of brushback pitches, or pitches aimed underneath the chin, commonly referred to as 'chin music', to keep players away from the plate. However, throwing at a batter intentionally is illegal, and can be very dangerous. When an umpire believes a pitcher has thrown at a batter intentionally, a warning is issued to the pitcher and the managers of both teams. From that point on, any pitch thrown at a batter can cause the pitcher and the manager (if believed to have ordered the beanball) of the offending team to be ejected immediately from the game. Serious offenses such as a ball thrown at the head (called a beanball) can result in the immediate ejection of the pitcher, and the manager if he ordered the beanball, even without a warning.

Often, if a player is acting rude or unsportsmanlike, or having an extraordinarily good day, the pitcher may intentionally hit the batter, disguising it as a pitch that accidentally slipped his control. Managers may also order a pitcher to throw such a pitch (sometimes called a "plunking"). These pitches are often aimed at the lower back and slower than normal, designed to send a message more than anything else. The opposing team usually hits a batter in retaliation for this act. The plunkings generally end there because of umpire warnings, but in some cases things can get out of hand, and sometimes they lead to the batter charging the mound, bench-clearing brawls, and several ejections. Such plunking duels are more common in the American League than in the National League, because in the NL the pitchers must bat for themselves and open themselves up to direct retaliation (although hitting a fellow pitcher is a serious breach of baseball etiquette). The most common sign the catcher gives, if he or the coach wants to plunk a batter is simply giving the pitcher the middle finger.

There was a game in 1966 where New York Mets pitcher Dick Selma hit the Phillies' Richie Allen (as Dick Allen was still being called in the news media of the time); then Phillies pitcher Bob Buhl hit Selma, causing Selma to be removed for a pinch-runner, and then new Mets pitcher Jack Fisher hit Buhl.
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
In both cases, the guy with the ball can release the ball incorrectly and the ball goes off target as a result. Hardly irrelevant.
No, he is aiming at the wicket and the batsman comes in between the stump and the throw, so I dont know what you are arguing here.

Hardly any relevance between a bowler aiming batsman's head (by mistake or otherwise) and a fielder aiming at the stumps.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
England's one day side for the first four games...

Collingwood- Captain
Anderson
Bell
Bopara
Broad
Cook
Flintoff
Mascaranhas
Panesar
Pietersen
Prior
Shah
Sidebottom
Tremlett


 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
England A squad for next weeks game against India…

Solanki- Captain
Bell
Bopara
Bresnan
Kirtley
Lewis
Maddy
Nixon
Schofield
Shah
Snape
Wright
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well, yes you are. He didn't say it led to him losing his wicket, you're saying that. I think KP is professional enough and experienced enough to be able to deal with a beamer. At the very least, even if he was shaken up enough to lose his wicket, edging the ball behind and being given not out should've woken him up and when he finally was out, he didn't fall playing a reckless shot or doing anything out of the ordinary - he was gone to a very good delivery.
It's pretty obvious what KP implies in his comments. Getting a let off is bound to make you forget that you were nearly a goner isn't it?
 

Gloucefan

U19 Vice-Captain
It's pretty obvious what KP implies in his comments. Getting a let off is bound to make you forget that you were nearly a goner isn't it?
He just left one that most batsmen would have left. The problem was it came in a very long way. I don't really see how the beamer influenced his decision to leave it. Plenty of batsmen have received beamers, it's not like he really felt that he had just nearly died and his life flashed before his eyes. That would be a tad soft.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
England's one day side for the first four games...

Collingwood- Captain
Anderson
Bell
Bopara
Broad
Cook
Flintoff
Mascaranhas
Panesar
Pietersen
Prior
Shah
Sidebottom
Tremlett

This is going to be horrible, isn't it :@

Anyway, fwiw, I suppose our XI will look something like

Prior
Cook or Bell
Bopara
Pietersen
Shah
Collingwood
Flintoff
Mascarenhas
2 from Broad, Sidebottom, Tremlett & Anderson
Panesar
 

maxpower

U19 Cricketer
Odds of Pietersen getting hit on his body or head again are probably more than other batsmen, he does like to walk down a lot even against fast bowlers.
 

FBU

International Debutant
This is going to be horrible, isn't it :@

Anyway, fwiw, I suppose our XI will look something like

Prior
Cook or Bell
Bopara
Pietersen
Shah
Collingwood
Flintoff
Mascarenhas
2 from Broad, Sidebottom, Tremlett & Anderson
Panesar
I hope it looks more like this. :)

Cook
Prior
Shah
Pietersen
Collingwood
Bopara
Flintoff
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson
Panesar
 

adharcric

International Coach
No, he is aiming at the wicket and the batsman comes in between the stump and the throw, so I dont know what you are arguing here.

Hardly any relevance between a bowler aiming batsman's head (by mistake or otherwise) and a fielder aiming at the stumps.
Huge difference between aiming at the stumps and missing, and aiming at the batsman's head. That applies equally to a bowler and a fielder. Anyways, this isn't going anywhere.
 
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biased indian

International Coach
KP's own words: "I was shaken up on a cricket pitch for the first time in my life at Trent Bridge and I'm not too proud to admit it. I thought the beamer that Sreesanth bowled at me was going to take my head off. People say that sport is not a matter of life and death, but for a few seconds there I thought my number was up. Luckily, I just managed to get out of the way but I ended up in a heap on the pitch thinking 'that could have killed me'. I was not physically shaking or throwing up, but it definitely unsettled me mentally and that has never happened before. I'm a lucky boy to have quick reflexes otherwise I could have been a goner"

I'm not the one making excuses.
i have never heard any other batsmen being so worried about a beamer in the past....
its not the first in international cricket that a beamer has been balled....!!!!!!!

this i would say is a nice way by english cricketers to divert all the attention towards the beamer from the jelly gate incident which was eaqually bad for the game
 

biased indian

International Coach
They don't get hit a lot, but they do get hit. Pitchers are ejected for multiple violations, and it's a free walk to the batsman if he gets hit. Usually its hands and shoulders that are hit. Pitches straight to the batsman's head are rare, and results in an immediate ejection.
as far as i know about cricket laws mutiple violations, you are not allowed to bowl further

so its the same rite........
 

R_D

International Debutant
KP's own words: "I was shaken up on a cricket pitch for the first time in my life at Trent Bridge and I'm not too proud to admit it. I thought the beamer that Sreesanth bowled at me was going to take my head off. People say that sport is not a matter of life and death, but for a few seconds there I thought my number was up. Luckily, I just managed to get out of the way but I ended up in a heap on the pitch thinking 'that could have killed me'. I was not physically shaking or throwing up, but it definitely unsettled me mentally and that has never happened before. I'm a lucky boy to have quick reflexes otherwise I could have been a goner"

I'm not the one making excuses.
hahaha
sounds like a bullet was shot at Pieterson not a cricket ball.

It was a dangerous ball but i feared for my life.... might be over the top their Piterson.. you're turning into a complete englishman.. already started the whinging and OTT comments.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
He's done it before. Does anyone remember his comment when he got that full toss from Brett Lee in the Ashes? It looked like it was going to be a beamer, but was rather just a fast full toss which had him plumb LBW, but Rudi didn't give it.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Now there's talk of the squad for the one-dayers selected for the England tour. Among other (often reverse) developments, Sreesanth is replaced by Munaf Patel.

Big mistake! Munaf can't move! He's a misfit in one-dayers because of his lack of fitness on the field. In ODI's, fielding is a big issue, and the Indians have been found wanting time and again- and it's weakened them. His bowling isn't much better than those who can field and bat better. Will Vengsarkar and group ever learn?
 

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