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[Dasa]

I'm still not convinced that Sreesanth's beamer was deliberate, and I think the same of most of the beamers I've seen. Going from my experience (admittedly of a low standard and much slower pace), there have been times when I've tried to go for that extra bit of pace and the ball has just slipped out and gone towards the batsman at around head height - I've also faced bowling from friends etc when the same thing has happened, and in those cases I know that it was certainly an accident. It can happen quite easily, and I'm wary of accusing bowlers of doing it deliberately because I know how easy it is for it to accidentally happen.

 

[adharcric]

Well said.

 

[Arjun]

How come the jelly beans were not seen as something dangerous? What if the ball landed on a jelly bean and bounced awkwardly? They were spotted at a time when tailenders were batting, and some of them could get hurt.

 

[honestbharani]

Precisely. Sreesanth may or may not have bowled the beamer deliberately but if you watch the replay of his wrist action, it looks like it slipped out IMO. Hell, even the commentator (Hussain?) mentioned that it slipped out. The no-balls are a separate issue but Atherton just looks like a biased commentator if he can be so convinced that Sreesanth bowled a deliberate beamer and should be banned for bowling one beamer. You do realize that umpires can ban bowlers for repeated offenses ...

Athers is a fine one to talk about the spirit of the game..........

 

[Raghav]

I'm still not convinced that Sreesanth's beamer was deliberate, and I think the same of most of the beamers I've seen. Going from my experience (admittedly of a low standard and much slower pace), there have been times when I've tried to go for that extra bit of pace and the ball has just slipped out and gone towards the batsman at around head height - I've also faced bowling from friends etc when the same thing has happened, and in those cases I know that it was certainly an accident. It can happen quite easily, and I'm wary of accusing bowlers of doing it deliberately because I know how easy it is for it to accidentally happen.

Absolutely Perfect

 

[biased indian]

So if it ends up paralysing or killing someone (possibly) by accident it's alright then?

Most chucking is accidental, doesn't mean chuckers should be allowed to do so indefinitely.

if u ball a second beamer in the same innings you will be taken out of action
and will be reporteed to Match refreee

i think that is a decent enough rule..........

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/test_playing_conditions.pdf

 

[Jono]

I'll be the first one to admit that Sree is an idiot, has attitude problems etc. etc. The no-ball incidents prove that.

But for anyone to suggest that he deliberately aimed his beamer at KP's head, well wow, definitely out of touch with the game, and is looking for something there when there is nothing.

The only time I ever once thought that a beamer MAY have been intentional was Brett Lee, when Razzaq bowled one to him earlier in the match, and then coincidentally Razzaq received one from Lee later. (Or was it the other way around maybe? I'm not 100% sure, but pretty sure Lee bowled the 2nd). Even then I just don't think any international player, with all the scrutiny they'd receive if they actually did hit someone with a beamer, would be stupid (and that much of an asshole) to bowl one purposely.

I thought it was clear Sree was attempting a yorker. He wanted to uproot some stumps and get a wicket since he was having an off-day. It came out wrong, hopefully he's learnt his lesson. Simple as that really.

 

[open365]

Having a good enough position is not an excuse to bowl a beamer. It is illegal and If the bowler bowls it intentionaly or otherwise, he should be taken out of attack immediately and dropped from the next game. If he does it again in another match, he should get 5 match ban, if he does it again then year ban. There is no room for such acts in cricket.

No, it's illegal to bowl two beamers in a spell, then a bowler has to be taken out of the attack.

 

[Manee]

You do not overstep by two feet by accident.

As much as I rate Sreesanth, I have to agree with this statement. I have had a massive no ball problem in the past but it has never gone further than half a yard over the line.

 

[Dasa]

As much as I rate Sreesanth, I have to agree with this statement. I have had a massive no ball problem in the past but it has never gone further than half a yard over the line.

I don't think anyone has been saying that the no-balls weren't deliberate. The talk has been around the beamer.

 

[pietersenrocks]

Dravid shud take a decision now.......Sreesanth beamer wud hav hurted KP .. if he wouldnt had fell down......it doenst matter .. it was deliberate or not......wen itz bad 4 d game

 

[gettingbetter]

As much as I rate Sreesanth, I have to agree with this statement. I have had a massive no ball problem in the past but it has never gone further than half a yard over the line.

Can someone enlighten me on what 'strategy' that was used for?

Dravid shud take a decision now.......Sreesanth beamer wud hav hurted KP .. if he wouldnt had fell down......it doenst matter .. it was deliberate or not......wen itz bad 4 d game

I apologise if English isn't your first language, but is there anything you can do? I know its the internet, but internet type isn't very appealing.

 

[silentstriker]

I don't think anyone has been saying that the no-balls weren't deliberate. The talk has been around the beamer.

Regardless of whether you think the beamer was intentional, shouldn't the purposeful no balls (two of them) be sufficient to warrant ban for a game?

 

[Scaly piscine]

if u ball a second beamer in the same innings you will be taken out of action
and will be reporteed to Match refreee

i think that is a decent enough rule..........

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/test_playing_conditions.pdf

As I said already you can't allow bowlers to have what perceivably is a free beamer at someone's head. Meanwhile someone could be trying to bowl slower balls, yorkers etc. in a one day match, have a couple slip out just above the waist and they're out of the game. Where's the fairness there?

That rule is poor. We saw what happened to KP, he got out later because of it. He was lucky he wasn't out a lot longer than one innings. You should never profit from something such as a head high beamer, India did.

 

[Dasa]

Regardless of whether you think the beamer was intentional, shouldn't the purposeful no balls (two of them) be sufficient to warrant ban for a game?

No imo. I don't have a problem with Sreesanth being left out as a result of disciplinary action by the team management for his behaviour generally, but I don't think it should be an automatic ban just for that.

That rule is poor. We saw what happened to KP, he got out later because of it. He was lucky he wasn't out a lot longer than one innings. You should never profit from something such as a head high beamer, India did.

Not really giving KP much credit there. Somehow I think he's a good enough batsman not to let a beamer get to him. If you're going to say the beamer resulted in his dismissal, then I could bring up any number of things that might have resulted in a batsman being dismissed. Perhaps the jelly beans on the wicket resulted in Zaheer Khan's dismissal, who knows, maybe he would've made an extra 10 runs? It's irrelevant in the context of this game, making excuses like you have is poor form.

 

[open365]

Can someone enlighten me on what 'strategy' that was used for?

Over stepping the line by a yard makes you in essence a yard quicker than you acctualy are.

Running through the crease as it's called is used as an intimidatory tactic against batsmen, by making yourself a yard quicker you are trying to shake the batsman up, either by inflicitng physical pain or by making him wary of getting his weight forward.

 

[gettingbetter]

Over stepping the line by a yard makes you in essence a yard quicker than you acctualy are.

Running through the crease as it's called is used as an intimidatory tactic against batsmen, by making yourself a yard quicker you are trying to shake the batsman up, either by inflicitng physical pain or by making him wary of getting his weight forward.

Is this specualtion though?

1 extra run and bowl the ball again...

 

[open365]

Not really giving KP much credit there. Somehow I think he's a good enough batsman not to let a beamer get to him. If you're going to say the beamer resulted in his dismissal, then I could bring up any number of things that might have resulted in a batsman being dismissed. Perhaps the jelly beans on the wicket resulted in Zaheer Khan's dismissal, who knows, maybe he would've made an extra 10 runs? It's irrelevant in the context of this game, making excuses like you have is poor form.

Not that it makes a difference to the punishment bowling a beamer should receive, but i agree that KP wouldn't have been affected that much, i mean this is a guy that came down the wicket to Glen McGrath and got his ribs cracked yet is still prepared to do it again.

 

[open365]

Is this specualtion though?

1 extra run and bowl the ball again...

It's speculation as to whether it works or not, but the aim is still intimidating the batsman, i think in the olden days it was more commonly used against tail enders who didn't know which end of a bat to hold.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Not really giving KP much credit there. Somehow I think he's a good enough batsman not to let a beamer get to him. If you're going to say the beamer resulted in his dismissal, then I could bring up any number of things that might have resulted in a batsman being dismissed. Perhaps the jelly beans on the wicket resulted in Zaheer Khan's dismissal, who knows, maybe he would've made an extra 10 runs? It's irrelevant in the context of this game, making excuses like you have is poor form.

KP's own words: "I was shaken up on a cricket pitch for the first time in my life at Trent Bridge and I'm not too proud to admit it. I thought the beamer that Sreesanth bowled at me was going to take my head off. People say that sport is not a matter of life and death, but for a few seconds there I thought my number was up. Luckily, I just managed to get out of the way but I ended up in a heap on the pitch thinking 'that could have killed me'. I was not physically shaking or throwing up, but it definitely unsettled me mentally and that has never happened before. I'm a lucky boy to have quick reflexes otherwise I could have been a goner"

I'm not the one making excuses.