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Which team's alltime XI is best?
- Thread starter Matt79
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pasag
RTDAS
Yeah, didn't do so well in the last Test and I think the first one might have been an anomaly. Trying to mix things up here to find a winning combination before it's too late.
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JBMAC
State Captain
Morris,Harvey and Davidson
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
I'd ordinarily take out Harvey rather than Chappell for Punter, but Harvey did well at the WACA and it would be harsh on him. Still, I think Punter has to come in, and I'll back Chappell to score runs in the next couple of Tests so it's Harvey out for me.
Trumper's ton in the first Test deserves at least another Test's grace, and as tough as it is on my av, I think O'Reilly has to come in, sadly at the expense of RR Lindwall. I would love to see Davo given a run before the end of the series too...
Trumper's ton in the first Test deserves at least another Test's grace, and as tough as it is on my av, I think O'Reilly has to come in, sadly at the expense of RR Lindwall. I would love to see Davo given a run before the end of the series too...
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
One question to guys who have seen the 80s Windies side?
What is with all the "They will struggle against Warne and O'Reilly" suggestions? Were they really that bad against world class spin? And for people who have watched even further back, how good/bad was Sobers against spin?
What is with all the "They will struggle against Warne and O'Reilly" suggestions? Were they really that bad against world class spin? And for people who have watched even further back, how good/bad was Sobers against spin?
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Well a few of them (Desmond Haynes in particular) had a lot of trouble against Abdul Qadir, and given that Warne and Tiger are both a class above I would think they might struggle.
I'm far too young to have seen Sobers play, but I've never read of him having an overwhelming weakness against any type of bowling.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yeah, thanks, but to be more specific, I want to know which of the guys from the all time XI do u think would have had a lot of difficulty against the spinners of the all time Aussie XI?
I mean, Warne and Tiger can get a number of these batters out, but how many do you really think will have TROUBLE against the spinners? I am just curious because when I was growing up, my folks used to tell me that the West Indian batsmen were too good against all types of bowling and they especially told me that they would really MURDER the spinners.... You can understand why I would be surprised when so many of you guys (who have seen them play) talk about their "weakness" against spin.... Especially, how good/bad was IVAR against the quality spinners? Also, Clive Lloyd and Greenidge, I just want to know how these guys went against the best spinners of their era?
I am not a big one for stats and that is why I want some subjective and qualitative info from guys like you, who have seen them play.... Hope I am not being a bore here....
Matt79
Hall of Fame Member
When I've mentioned the spin department being an advantage to the Aussies, I meant it in the sense that its a comparative advantage as the Windies don't have a really top notch spinner - ie its one area where the Australia team is clearly better than the Windies.
From recollection, Viv had no problem with spinners except sometimes they'd run out of replacement balls for the ones he hit clear out of the ground. Sobers had no issues to my knowledge, and Lara's duels with Warne are the stuff of legend round these parts. I don't recall Headley being mentioned as having a problem with spin, but then, I'm not sure what class of spin he was ever tested against - there were some decent twirlers around then, but I don't know if he played against them, although I suspect he probably did and did so well.
From recollection, Viv had no problem with spinners except sometimes they'd run out of replacement balls for the ones he hit clear out of the ground. Sobers had no issues to my knowledge, and Lara's duels with Warne are the stuff of legend round these parts. I don't recall Headley being mentioned as having a problem with spin, but then, I'm not sure what class of spin he was ever tested against - there were some decent twirlers around then, but I don't know if he played against them, although I suspect he probably did and did so well.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Trumper, Chappell and O'Reilly for Sydney.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
well the few times in their 19 years of unoffical word dominance that they were confronted with spinning conditions & a spinner on top of his game they got themselves into trouble.
Of my head i remember i recalled checking up Qadir spinning them out in 1986, Hirwani taking 16 on his debut to help India level a series in 1987, two novice aussie spinners bowling them out in Sydney in 84/85, Border himself takin a 7 for in 88 & a 5 for in 91.
But looking at all-time windies batting line-up of Greenidge/Hunte/Lara/Headley/Richards/Sobers, i can say for sure that Lara, Richards, Sobers based on what i've seen & read were pretty solid againts spin the rest i'm not sure. I guess though that the idea that Warne/O'Reilly on a spinning deck would spin them out is a bit over-rated but we can agree they would cost them some problems given the traditional aggressive nature of West Indian batsmen.
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Given i wasn't aware that this simulated all-time series was taking place i guess me saying this wouldn't make much of a difference. But i don't think you blokes should have decided to have Walcott keeping ahead of Dujon.
Keeping to that fearsome Windies pace attack along with the variation of Gibbs i'm sure they would rather have a specialist behind the stumps for them. Walcott probably had ability to hold his own behind the stumps but i think its a risky move. After all given the superb quality of the windies top 6 & Dujon being more than competent with the blade, don't think having Walcott @ 7 just to strengthen the batting is worth it.
Keeping to that fearsome Windies pace attack along with the variation of Gibbs i'm sure they would rather have a specialist behind the stumps for them. Walcott probably had ability to hold his own behind the stumps but i think its a risky move. After all given the superb quality of the windies top 6 & Dujon being more than competent with the blade, don't think having Walcott @ 7 just to strengthen the batting is worth it.