All Time Country ODI Teams ?

[Fiery]

Gayle in for Greenidge (SR 80 vs. 65)

 

[Richard]

DWTA. You could never convince me Gayle > Greenidge or Haynes. You may be too young to have seen them play. Gayle not in the same league as them imo

That's why it's so crazy to blur eras. Gayle's record is better than Greenidge's and Haynes', there's no two ways about that. But is he a better player? I think it'd take extreme silliness to suggest so.

So you play Gayle in the team he can fit in, and Greenidge and Haynes in the one they can.

 

[JBMAC]

Australian ODI


A.Gilchrist[keeper]
M.Waugh
R.Ponting[v.c.]
D.Jones
S.Waugh[capt.]
M.Bevan
A.Symonds
S.Warne
B.Lee
D.Lillee
G.McGrath
G.Chappell[12th man]

 

[Days of Grace]

New Zealand all-time ODI Eleven

1. Turner
2. Astle
3. Fleming (c)
4. Crowe
5. Twose
6. Styris
7. Hadlee
8. Smith (wk)
9. Vettori
10. Bond
11. Chatfield

 

[Prince EWS]

Yes, they have. But if this is a team for all eras, then Gayle would be ahead. He is a handy bowler as well.

Unlike my test ratings, which factor in the change in pitch conditions, I have no weighting for ODI players depending on eras. It's just the style of cricket that has changed, not really the conditions (although some could argue that boundaries have become shorter, etc.).

I once tried to factor in a percentage difference for players before 1990, but whilst it meant that Haynes and Greenidge rose in the batting ratings, Garner lost his no.1 bowling rating. You can't have it both ways, it seems.

Well, I'd definitely argue that pitches have become flatter to encourage this style, and I'd also argue that bowling standards have dropped in recent times... but even that aside, the difference in style which you mentioned must be taken into account, too.

The likes of Greenidge and Haynes may have lower strike rates - and it may not even be due to the conditions - but even if it is due to an overall style change, that must be taken into account IMO. What was considered a good strike back in 1987 is different to what is considered a good one now - and that isn't because batsmen are better now - it is because they are aiming for different things.

 

[Richard]

Australian ODI


A.Gilchrist[keeper]
M.Waugh
R.Ponting[v.c.]
D.Jones
S.Waugh[capt.]
M.Bevan
A.Symonds
S.Warne
B.Lee
D.Lillee
G.McGrath
G.Chappell[12th man]

Thought you didn't tolerate any cricket other than the original long-form stuff?

 

[Beleg]

Anwar
Sohail
Zaheer
Inzy
Miandad
Imran
Moin
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar
Shoaib

IMO, that's the best ODI bowling line-up ever.

 

[Richard]

Who's the fifth?

IMO the best ODI bowling line-up ever was probably Roberts, Holding, Garner, Croft, Clarke.

 

[Beleg]

umm, Imran?

Not exactly a slouch with the cherry. Or so I have heard.

 

[Richard]

 

[Fiery]

New Zealand all-time ODI Eleven

1. Turner
2. Astle
3. Fleming (c)
4. Crowe
5. Twose
6. Styris
7. Hadlee
8. Smith (wk)
9. Vettori
10. Bond
11. Chatfield

No Cairns...dire

 

[Richard]

Cairns > Styris anyday TBF.

Christopher, that is, as opposed to Bernard.

 

[Fiery]

Cairns > Styris anyday TBF.

Christopher, that is, as opposed to Bernard.

Correct

 

[Days of Grace]

Don't you think Cairns had an expensive E/R in ODIs?

 

[JBMAC]

Thought you didn't tolerate any cricket other than the original long-form stuff?

I don,t normally but wanted to throw my 2 bobs worth in for the hell of it

 

[Fiery]

Don't you think Cairns had an expensive E/R in ODIs?

Not overly..his batting made up for it. Your sides use stats only though don't they and not the X factor that has been talked about by pasag et al recently

 

[NUFAN]

Don't you think Cairns had an expensive E/R in ODIs?

4.83 rpo - meaning if he bowled all 50 overs he'd go for 242 runs, which isn't absolutely terrible. I would pick him ahead of Twose or possibly Chatfield actually.

Chris Harris would have to be fairly close to making the side, he'd make a 16 man squad easily IMO.

 

[Perm]

4.83 rpo - meaning if he bowled all 50 overs he'd go for 242 runs, which isn't absolutely terrible. I would pick him ahead of Twose or possibly Chatfield actually.

Chris Harris would have to be fairly close to making the side, he'd make a 16 man squad easily IMO.

Nah, Twose is a certainty IMO.

 

[NUFAN]

Nah, Twose is a certainty IMO.

Yeah I changed my player mid post. Get rid of Chatfield.

Hadlee and Bond can take the new ball.

Cairns, Vettori, Styris and Astle is enough bowling, seeing as the batting lineup is strong.

 

[Perm]

Yeah I changed my player mid post. Get rid of Chatfield.

Hadlee and Bond can take the new ball.

Cairns, Vettori, Styris and Astle is enough bowling, seeing as the batting lineup is strong.

Bond and Hadlee opening the bowling would be a fearsome proposition, but the bowling remains too weak really. Cairns can be quite effective and Vettori is a proven spinner, but Styris and Astle would be destroyed by the likes of Richards, Bevan, Tendulkar etc.