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gettingbetter

State Vice-Captain
I'm not sure if it is a contradiction, but maybe a double-standard. Why do you apply a set of rules to one group of players and not apply it to Shah in this instance. I've read your comments before - 'I've seen enough of him to know that he won't be a success at international level' which is all fair and good, but as you have quite clearly indicated, you initially thought that Flintoff wasn't much chop. Proved wrong. So Shah, whose around 20 ODIs spread over 7 years can't be a success?

Don't really see how it's a contradiction to split careers up, though, if anything quite the opposite. If someone's very poor for a time, it doesn't really matter much if they then do much better for a later time.
And why then don't you want to see Shah in the ODI team?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm not sure if it is a contradiction, but maybe a double-standard. Why do you apply a set of rules to one group of players and not apply it to Shah in this instance. I've read your comments before - 'I've seen enough of him to know that he won't be a success at international level' which is all fair and good, but as you have quite clearly indicated, you initially thought that Flintoff wasn't much chop. Proved wrong. So Shah, whose around 20 ODIs spread over 7 years can't be a success? And why then don't you want to see Shah in the ODI team?
The point is, it's rare to be proved wrong. Mostly by thinking that you tend to be right. It's only very rare cases (Symonds, Flintoff) where people improve sufficiently, by-and-large once someone's that poor for that long they remain that way.

In any case, Shah does not yet have a two-part career - he's been poor throughout. If, obviously, he does become a ODI-standard player, it'd be prudent to divide his career up into two parts.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Lord's was pretty well under water, and they were playing in 2 hours!

I'm not saying Trent Bridge's drainage is poor (though Manan is :p) but it's not, quite, in Lord's's calibre.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
"It's not looking good. Allan Donald says: "My gut feeling is we won't play today." Shudder... I'm also shuddering because I remember watching him and Athers here in the nineties; that was frightening. But briliant."

Grr, its nice and shiny out and no play today....ridiculous.

Now that I think about it, Lord's should get two Tests a summer...instead of this place. Unless there are other grounds with a drainage system equally as good, I'd rather have play where play is actually possible.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
There is prediction for further rain in this match, right? Draw would already be favorites now.
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Apparently we now get action from Mumbai in 2002. :huh: Wonder what that'll be then?
Oh, the ODIs. This game's a fave, of course, the Flintoff shirt-off game where Harbhajan took his five-for after one of the most absurd starts in ODI history.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
A good way to pass the time during rain. ;)

Nah, will just be the one. No Whelan around at present, and he never seems to post in *Official* tour-threads outside Aussie-related ones anyway.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Oh, the ODIs. This game's a fave, of course, the Flintoff shirt-off game where Harbhajan took his five-for after one of the most absurd starts in ODI history.
God, I'd forgotten how much I hated this game. Dropped catches, good bowlers (Srinath, Caddick, Kumble) bowling terribly, bad Umpiring decisions having massive influence on the outcome, ridiculously unlucky dismissals, scoring-rates that varied from the stupidly fast to the stupidly slow...

Everything I hate in a ODI really.
 

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