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***Official*** India in England
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I never said it didn't happen, just that it wouldn't have happened but for the drop, something I've never, ever rowed back on, once.
I've, if you note carefully, not said the innings after the drop counted for nothing, just that it doesn't fill me with confidence about any newfound Jaffer ability to cope with the swinging ball.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Hardly a surprise, TBH, that's a major slice of luck in fact. Would expect much worse than that if not informed.
how lucky were india? england going along fine in the 1st innings weather comes in and helps india get back on top england need 1 wicket then weather stops them playing it. However a great test match and some top quality performances pietersen and most of the bowlers!
Fair enough, you have made that distinction. I didnt read carefully enough.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
India were mildly fortunate, yes, but as has been pointed-out ad nauseum, there are many reasons why England's misfortune has been exaggerated. The over-rates should have been quicker, yes, but more than anything the cause of the rain (ie, clouds) also played its part in helping the England bowlers get what they used to bowl India out.
England winning the Test would not have been an unfair result at all, but a draw wasn't a disgraceful defiance of justice the way a game occasionally goes down as.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Turning attention toward Trescothick & the ODI side for a moment. Its obvious that test side are in a good enough position to cover for him being out until next summer hopefully. But the top-order of the ODI side still has a serious problem, given that no one in county cricket has the technique to be successfull as a top order ODI batsman. Thats why personally i'm holding out hope for Matt Prior to shine in that role.
My revised best England ODI team: (for the time being)
Prior
Bell
Bopara
KP
Shah
Collingwood
Freddie
Mascarenhas
Plunkett
Panesar
Anderson
My revised best England ODI team: (for the time being)
Prior
Bell
Bopara
KP
Shah
Collingwood
Freddie
Mascarenhas
Plunkett
Panesar
Anderson
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Just stopped raining over here.
Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Indian overseas tour problems
INDIAN cricket can clearly be placed into two distinct halves – one of which involves matches played in India and parts of the sub-continent and the other, matches played outside the comfort zone, places such as England, Australia and South Africa. What the Indian team does in one half of the cricketing world, which let me clarify is mostly at home, is in no way reflected in the other zone.
It is almost a different game when it comes to playing abroad. And the strangest part of it all is that this has been happening since time immemorial – from much before I started playing cricket (I started playing at 7 and now I am 23) and this is what I find difficult to understand.
It was told earlier that Indians were poor travellers.
How then do you explain the fact that the moment you land at London's Heathrow Airport , you see more Indians – many of them employed there – than anyone else. If we indeed are poor travellers, how did so many of us get there. Also it is not as if we haven't had good results at all, there have been a few but far in between. Indian team won in the West Indies and England in 1971, I remember Kapil's team beating England in 1986 while the present side has had its share of wins and/or draws in England, Australia and the West Indies while all our teams have time and again beaten good visiting sides at home.
So it is not as if we are not good at what we do. The problem then lies in us not doing it everywhere. Why is this so – is it a problem with our system and if so how do we solve the issue? Isn't it time to sit down and think hard about what the real problem is, why are we so inconsistent, why we cannot put out more impressive performances overseas even after the cricketing world has shrunk with more tours undertaken these days.
The one solution I can advocate straightaway is to have more ‘A' team tours to places with more difficult pitches and conditions. Let us send members of the ‘A' team to Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand on a regular basis and take as much care with their itinerary as we do with the senior team itinerary. These tours will help our future cricketers accli matise and prepare themselves better.
Questions and more questions but unless we ask them, there will be no question of any answers coming forth, will there?
2nd Test Preview - My Thoughts
Anyway, moving on to the second Test at Trent Bridge, Rahul Dravid must be in a typical quandary. Does he change the team or stick to the same combination, does he somehow include Yuvraj Singh? Well, one way to look at it is that since the Jaffer-Karthick combination is a stop-gap one, pushing one of the last Test's middle-order bats men to open, thus opening up a place for Yuvraj, may not be such a bad idea.
The good news for the Indian batsmen is that the Trent Bridge pitch is usually a batsman's paradise, unless of course the weather plays its part in providing an edge to the bowlers. The conditions being predictable, both captains should take care not to bat for too long and look to make sporting declarations instead to make the contest interesting.
INDIAN cricket can clearly be placed into two distinct halves – one of which involves matches played in India and parts of the sub-continent and the other, matches played outside the comfort zone, places such as England, Australia and South Africa. What the Indian team does in one half of the cricketing world, which let me clarify is mostly at home, is in no way reflected in the other zone.
It is almost a different game when it comes to playing abroad. And the strangest part of it all is that this has been happening since time immemorial – from much before I started playing cricket (I started playing at 7 and now I am 23) and this is what I find difficult to understand.
It was told earlier that Indians were poor travellers.
How then do you explain the fact that the moment you land at London's Heathrow Airport , you see more Indians – many of them employed there – than anyone else. If we indeed are poor travellers, how did so many of us get there. Also it is not as if we haven't had good results at all, there have been a few but far in between. Indian team won in the West Indies and England in 1971, I remember Kapil's team beating England in 1986 while the present side has had its share of wins and/or draws in England, Australia and the West Indies while all our teams have time and again beaten good visiting sides at home.
So it is not as if we are not good at what we do. The problem then lies in us not doing it everywhere. Why is this so – is it a problem with our system and if so how do we solve the issue? Isn't it time to sit down and think hard about what the real problem is, why are we so inconsistent, why we cannot put out more impressive performances overseas even after the cricketing world has shrunk with more tours undertaken these days.
The one solution I can advocate straightaway is to have more ‘A' team tours to places with more difficult pitches and conditions. Let us send members of the ‘A' team to Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand on a regular basis and take as much care with their itinerary as we do with the senior team itinerary. These tours will help our future cricketers accli matise and prepare themselves better.
Questions and more questions but unless we ask them, there will be no question of any answers coming forth, will there?
2nd Test Preview - My Thoughts
Anyway, moving on to the second Test at Trent Bridge, Rahul Dravid must be in a typical quandary. Does he change the team or stick to the same combination, does he somehow include Yuvraj Singh? Well, one way to look at it is that since the Jaffer-Karthick combination is a stop-gap one, pushing one of the last Test's middle-order bats men to open, thus opening up a place for Yuvraj, may not be such a bad idea.
The good news for the Indian batsmen is that the Trent Bridge pitch is usually a batsman's paradise, unless of course the weather plays its part in providing an edge to the bowlers. The conditions being predictable, both captains should take care not to bat for too long and look to make sporting declarations instead to make the contest interesting.
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chalky
International Debutant
Looks like the the forecast has improved a bit looking bright all day.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
I've been checking the weather constantly on a number of different sites, it certainly has improved according to them.
alternative
Cricket Web Content Updater
So anyone what are the chances of Ganguly playing?
Raghav
International Vice-Captain
gr8t. seems we are all set for a good 1st day
Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Dont worry mate. Ganguly will be playing. He is fit
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't blame me if it starts raining
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Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Don't blame me if it starts raining
