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Battle of the Test Matches

Sanz

Sanz

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bagapath said:
i would say 10 times out of 10. what a beauty it was!

EDIT: Only a left hander would have survived it. Remember. It is not just this one ball. the previous three or four deliveries were beautifully setting rahul up for this dismissal. this was wasim at his magical best showing a younger champion what he is made of.
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Akram set Dravid up and who had basically had no clue, I guess he was expecting an inswinger and probably still thinking about the previous delivery. As good as the ball was I dont think it would have got Bradman 9 out of 10. May be once or twice but 9 out of 10 is impossible..
 
Sanz

Sanz

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Perm said:
Nothing is impossible.
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It is. Dravid of 1998 was nothing extra-ordinary, He was just a decent middle order batsman. Except Donald pretty much every other Bowler worth his salt dominated him between 1996-1999.

Btw - Eng. Vs. Aus - 2005
 
Perm

Perm

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Sanz said:
It is. Dravid of 1998 was nothing extra-ordinary, He was just a decent middle order batsman. Except Donald pretty much every other Bowler worth his salt dominated him between 1996-1999.

Btw - Eng. Vs. Aus - 2005
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silentstriker said:
Yea, it is. Obviously its an exaggeration to say that no batsman could have ever played that delivery, but if they did, chances are it was due to luck and not skill. He was set up so perfectly.
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Well yeah, I realise that some things are impossible, an error on my behalf. I find it hard to beleive you can say that Bradman would've been able to play that seven times out of ten, or whatever.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Perm said:
Well yeah, I realise that some things are impossible, an error on my behalf. I find it hard to beleive you can say that Bradman would've been able to play that seven times out of ten, or whatever.
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I don't see why it is hard to believe. He wasn't un-dismissable :).
 
Sanz

Sanz

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silentstriker said:
I don't see why it is hard to believe. He wasn't un-dismissable :).
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I am not saying that he was not dismissable, but just that he wouldn't have been dismissed 9 out of times. May be a couple but not more than that.

We have to keep in mind that Bradman's IQ and skills as a cricketer were much better than those of Dravid(of 96-99) or for that matter Akram's. IMO he wouldn't have allowed Akram to dominate like he did to Dravid.
 
Sanz

Sanz

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Infact I believe that Sachin Tendulkar of 90s would have handled that ball and the over much better.
 
Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
A large part of a delivery is the whole setup via the previous deliveries... the bowler working on the mind of the batsman. Akram did bowl to Sachin in the same inning and Sachin managed a 136. Can't say Akram wouldn't have tried to outfox Sachin there.
 
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Bouncer

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Sanz said:
It is. Dravid of 1998 was nothing extra-ordinary, He was just a decent middle order batsman. Except Donald pretty much every other Bowler worth his salt dominated him between 1996-1999.

Btw - Eng. Vs. Aus - 2005
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I have to disagree....Dravid was in terrific form starting 1999 in his tour of NZ which happen before Pak series he scored like 300+ runs in two game series and if wasnt for Dravid then NZ would have won that series 2-0, instead of 1-0...it was Rahul's batting form that made indian top order so good in 1999...he chipped in witha few against Pak series and scored few runs in ODI series that followed test series after that he continued on with his batting run in 1999WC and scored a ton of runs...So i belive he was More than just a decent middle order batsman. in 1999...and not only in 1999 but even in 1997-98 too.


A large part of a delivery is the whole setup via the previous deliveries... the bowler working on the mind of the batsman. Akram did bowl to Sachin in the same inning and Sachin managed a 136. Can't say Akram wouldn't have tried to outfox Sachin there.
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Sachin was foxed more than a few time in that inning.....and had more than once decision given in his faver....One was LBW which was not given where he had just came in to bat agaianst Waqar...that was few balls before when he Drove waqar through covers and held his bat still in the follow through.....amazing stroke......... and next one happen next morning was when he gloved the ball to short leg while playing a forward defense off saqlain.....these decisions went into his favor and he was able to produce one of the best inning any of us has ever seen....and resluted in a great finish of that test match
 
Sanz

Sanz

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Bouncer said:
Sachin was foxed more than a few time in that inning.....and had more than once decision given in his faver....One was LBW which was not given where he had just came in to bat agaianst Waqar...that was few balls before when he Drove waqar through covers and held his bat still in the follow through.....amazing stroke......... and next one happen next morning was when he gloved the ball to short leg while playing a forward defense off saqlain.....these decisions went into his favor and he was able to produce one of the best inning any of us has ever seen....and resluted in a great finish of that test match
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That's right, when you cant prove your point, blame the umpires. This is very typical of you.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Bouncer said:
I have to disagree....Dravid was in terrific form starting 1999 in his tour of NZ which happen before Pak series he scored like 300+ runs in two game series and if wasnt for Dravid then NZ would have won that series 2-0, instead of 1-0...it was Rahul's batting form that made indian top order so good in 1999...he chipped in witha few against Pak series and scored few runs in ODI series that followed test series after that he continued on with his batting run in 1999WC and scored a ton of runs...So i belive he was More than just a decent middle order batsman. in 1999...and not only in 1999 but even in 1997-98 too.
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Dude, I never said he was out of form or something. I said in 1998-99 he was not a great batsman by any stretch and was dominated by any bowler worth his salt except Donald.

Technique was there but mentally he was not tough enough.Watch him bat in Australia against Warne and you will know what I am talking about. It was very easy to set him up esp if the bowler was someone as smart and good as Akram/Warne etc.

On the other hand Bradman was on a different level skill wise (and I say this on the basis of what I have read about him and the unique stat he holds) and also mental aspects of the game.
 
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