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[My Article] The State of England Bowling
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The "plenty of" didn't suggest it was a string... no?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Indeed - you've never been quite the same!
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
As I said, though... we did talk about the article. Then Bennett said about everything most people would say. Thereafter, discussion was pretty much finished.
So either the thread would have dropped away, or this would happen. On this occasion, this happened.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Lol, I knew someone would twist that post around.Indeed - you've never been quite the same!
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Can't believe you needed to edit that post... a Mod should know how to post smileys, especially a Rolleyes.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I post on multiple forums, and the rolleyes key is different on pretty much all of them, so I get confused.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Swervy
International Captain
It doesn't suggest anything, it could be 20 individual games spread over a 10 year period!!! no?The "plenty of" didn't suggest it was a string... no?
dcnstntn
Cricket Spectator
I am sometimes amazed at how off the boil some of the English bowlers can look, and it really frustrates me. I think Gough said recently that England's bowlers are pretty much bowling like robots, that they have been taught to bowl a certain way and fail to adapt to conditions. In the nets they may look brilliant but when you have to bowl in different conditions, on different pitches in different continents against different players in different scenarios you must think on your feet.
The only bowler I can currently say that I believe can do this near on each time he plays is Monty.
Hoggard is also very consistent, however I was massively disappointed with his displays in the ODI side with the ball a few years ago. Why can't an International cricketer control a white ball? Silly really isn't it!
My faith lies in the return of Simon Jones, who has the potential to be one of the world's best bowlers. He came on so much in the first few years when playing for England, even Richie Benaud constantly praised him. What a weapon he could prove to be.
The big problem with English cricket in my opinion is that it is barely taught to kids at a young age. I had to really go out of my way to play cricket. The infrastruture isn't there in schools, and the type of cricket played in village cricket isn't suitable either. Other countries just seem to take it more serious than us.
The only bowler I can currently say that I believe can do this near on each time he plays is Monty.
Hoggard is also very consistent, however I was massively disappointed with his displays in the ODI side with the ball a few years ago. Why can't an International cricketer control a white ball? Silly really isn't it!
My faith lies in the return of Simon Jones, who has the potential to be one of the world's best bowlers. He came on so much in the first few years when playing for England, even Richie Benaud constantly praised him. What a weapon he could prove to be.
The big problem with English cricket in my opinion is that it is barely taught to kids at a young age. I had to really go out of my way to play cricket. The infrastruture isn't there in schools, and the type of cricket played in village cricket isn't suitable either. Other countries just seem to take it more serious than us.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Err that would be 'complete crap in OD cricket' Monty would it? Not to mention how he hardly ever bowls a slower delivery and tosses the ball up. He's just as robotic or whatever you want to call it as anyone else.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You never know, he might have subtly altered his argument since the first publication and then you could leap on that change in view as a prime example of flip-flopping.Are you compelled to read it twice?
But there's no obligation for me to read anything.
You are now on my ignore list
open365
International Vice-Captain
Liam Plunket has potential?
Like **** he does, him Jimmy and Saj aren't going to amount to anything no matter how many oppurtunities they do or don't get.
I think the Liam Plunket situation is a bit ridiculous, i just don't think he's an international player at all, i think there are a lot of county bowlers that would do a better job than him, yet because Fletcher picked him we now think he has potential and will get better, the same goes for Saj.
I don't buy all this "Good bowler but needs to be more consistent" crap, consistency and accuracy are the two main things in bowling, just because he can produce a swinging yorker once in a blue moon does not mean he has potential.
Like **** he does, him Jimmy and Saj aren't going to amount to anything no matter how many oppurtunities they do or don't get.
I think the Liam Plunket situation is a bit ridiculous, i just don't think he's an international player at all, i think there are a lot of county bowlers that would do a better job than him, yet because Fletcher picked him we now think he has potential and will get better, the same goes for Saj.
I don't buy all this "Good bowler but needs to be more consistent" crap, consistency and accuracy are the two main things in bowling, just because he can produce a swinging yorker once in a blue moon does not mean he has potential.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It's not that straightforward. Not only is Hoggard not invariably a model of consistency - even these days, he still goes for a few of times in Tests - but it's not a case of struggling with the white ball, simply (as with Harmison for a time) that Test and ODI rules are different. What'd be a nothing dot-ball in a Test is a wide in a ODI.
open365
International Vice-Captain
Why thank you, i took the time to stop eating tea to post type that with both hands.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How on earth can anyone say Plunkett does not have potential? He bowls with a near-perfect seam position, bowling up to the mid/high-80s, gets a ton of movement and played for England when he was 20.