Mohd Yousuf vs Rahul Dravid In ODI's

[Sanz]

Yousuf has a century against every test playing nation apart from england

And the point being ?

 

[Richard]

Dravid has scored 8 50s against Australia and all of them have come against pretty good attacks and Mcgrath was part of 6 of those attacks.
56 (Mcgrath & Gillespie)
60, 63, 52 (Mcgrath & Lee)
65 (Mcgrath, Lee, Warne)
80 (Mcgrath, Warne, Fleming)
59 (Bracken, Bichel)
74(Gillespie, Lee)


Please dont post that kind of bull**** unless you are going to back it up.

Not really sure why you're including Bichel in those lists.

 

[gunner]

Dravid has scored 8 50s against Australia and all of them have come against pretty good attacks and Mcgrath was part of 6 of those attacks.
56 (Mcgrath & Gillespie)
60, 63, 52 (Mcgrath & Lee)
65 (Mcgrath, Lee, Warne)
80 (Mcgrath, Warne, Fleming)
59 (Bracken, Bichel)
74(Gillespie, Lee)


Please dont post that kind of bull**** unless you are going to back it up.

i meant the big centuries and the big double hundreds

 

[gunner]

Hmmm...convincing but you seemed to canily miss something, at about the time the decline starts.

Pakistan in Zimbabwe, 2002/03 [Series]
               Pak     5    4   3   405 141* 100*  88  405.00   2   2   0
Cherry Blossom Sharjah Cup (Ken/Pak/SL/Zim) in U.A.E., 2002/03 [Tournament]
               Pak     2    2   1    78  61*  17    -   78.00   0   1   0

that tour was in december 2002

they were still a good team then
the decline started after the world cup in 2003

 

[viktor]

i meant the big centuries and the big double hundreds

Still waiting on that one.

 

[Sanz]

i meant the big centuries and the big double hundreds

Big Centuries and Big Double hundereds ? Weren't you talking about ODIs only ? Or let me guess, it is okay If you jump between Tests and ODIs when it is convenient to you, but when others rate him on the basis of Test/ODIs, you say - This is about ODI only.

Anyways Talking of big centuries in tests,Rahul has two 100s against Australia, His 180 in Kolkata was against Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie, His 233 in Adeliade in trying condition was against Gillespie and Mcgill, Hardly 3rd rate attack you have been talking of.

 

[gunner]

Big Centuries and Big Double hundereds ? Weren't you talking about ODIs only ? Or let me guess, it is okay If you jump between Tests and ODIs when it is convenient to you, but when others rate him on the basis of Test/ODIs, you say - This is about ODI only.

did you even read the post i was replying to?

the post said dravid scores more against the good teams so he was obviously talking about test matches and then i answered that post with a test match stat.

 

[Richard]

that tour was in december 2002

they were still a good team then
the decline started after the world cup in 2003

Well... not quite started, but that's when they went into freefall.

If truth be told they'd been on the decline since 2000 when they lost Murray Goodwin and Neil Johnson, but remained for the most part a competetive Test and ODI outfit with several excellent players.

 

[Sanz]

Not really sure why you're including Bichel, Bracken and Lee in those lists.

Because Brett Lee and Nathan Bracken are Excellent ODI bowlers, Agree that Bichel is not a very good bowler.

 

[Manee]

Because Brett Lee and Nathan Bracken are Excellent ODI bowlers, Agree that Bichel is not a very good bowler.

But he is the ultimate trier and would make the team in any other country.

 

[Richard]

Because Brett Lee and Nathan Bracken are Excellent ODI bowlers, Agree that Bichel is not a very good bowler.

Post edited, I forgot ODIs were in question.

 

[Richard]

But he is the ultimate trier and would make the team in any other country.

Nah, no way IMO. Bichel's a pretty average bowler, certainly these days, and while he might have made a few teams (Sri Lanka, for instance) I don't think it'd have been that many.

 

[Manee]

Well, maybe England these days, Sri Lanka those days, India those days, so hardly terrible. At reasonable pace and getting outswing, he is never a walk in the park and picks up wickets consistantly at around 41 balls per wicket.

 

[Sanz]

did you even read the post i was replying to?

Did you check the facts before posting garbage ? And yes, I did read the post your replied to.

the post said dravid scores more against the good teams so he was obviously talking about test matches and then i answered that post with a test match stat.

Nowhere in that post Manee mentioned Dravid's performance in Tests, it was your assumption.

 

[Richard]

Well, maybe England these days, Sri Lanka those days, India those days, so hardly terrible. At reasonable pace and getting outswing, he is never a walk in the park and picks up wickets consistantly at around 41 balls per wicket.

Nah, no way is Bichel > any of Hoggard, Flintoff or several other domestic bowlers of a similar age (Caddick, Gough, Cork).

 

[Sanz]

But he is the ultimate trier and would make the team in any other country.

Agree, Bichel is not a very good bowler from Aussie Standards, but If he were available to play for India, I would have taken him atleast in ODIs.

 

[gunner]

Did you check the facts before posting garbage ? And yes, I did read the post your replied to.



Nowhere in that post Manee mentioned Dravid's performance in Tests, it was your assumption.

well in that case you lot need to back up the fact that dravid scores more runs against better teams in odis then shouldnt you.

In conclusion, I pick Dravid because he scores more runs against the good teams, better recent form, and his better ratio of innings per fifty or hundred.

this was manee's comment

 

[Sanz]

Nah, no way is Bichel > any of Hoggard, Flintoff or several other domestic bowlers of a similar age (Caddick, Gough, Cork).

Bichel > Pathan, Razzaq, Anderson, Sajid, Plunkett, Anderson, RP Singh and many others.

 

[Manee]

Nah, no way is Bichel > any of Hoggard, Flintoff or several other domestic bowlers of a similar age (Caddick, Gough, Cork).

Now, he may fill the Saj Mahmood, Plunkett, Anderson role but that's not saying much

 

[gunner]

isnt this the same bichel who won australia that match against england in the world cup almost single handedly?