Super Eight

[open365]

Agreed on all points. Going back to the rankings, KP's average is hugely weighted by his extraordinary series in SA. In the two years since then, he "only" averages 46. Still very, very good of course, and I'd happily have in my world oneday XI right now. But it does show how things have levelled off since then.

Oh hang on, five down

But so what? Why should scoring a massive amount of runs in one series be discredited when your latter performances have backed it up?

 

[Dasgupta]

22...hurray! a run

 

[crickmate]

what would have happened had England batted first, my guess, 150 all out.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Thank god for that, ghastly.

 

[PY]

What a delightful performance.

Seems we might have better NRR than South Africa now though.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Thank ****, awful batting performance. Must remember that out bowlers did really well.

 

[Dasgupta]

I thought it was a good game. 2 evenly matched sides at battle

 

[PhoenixFire]

What do you guys think about WI v England. 2 ****e teams battling each other, I'm tipping England to win, but they need to play a damn site better than they did today.

 

[Swervy]

This has totally ****ed up our NRR. We need to post like 600 against SA to make it decent.

beleive it or not, England have stretched their lead regarding NRR over South Africa

 

[wpdavid]

But so what? Why should scoring a massive amount of runs in one series be discredited when your latter performances have backed it up?

Only because we're discussing who is currently the best oneday batsman in the world as opposed to who has the highest average. I'm not saying they should be totally discounted, but two years is quite a long time ago. if nothing else, it reinforces my view that whereas for that one series he was able to go on with it and reach 3 figures regularly, since then he's been more prone to cameo 50's. Doesn't mean I don't rate him. Just that I don't think he's the best in the world nowadays. Number 2 isn't too shabby though.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Haha yeah, the table makes odd reading. NZ on top, and England having a better NRR than SA, weird.



Super Eights Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
New Zealand 4 4 0 0 0 8 +1.728 830/159.4 694/200.0
Australia 4 4 0 0 0 8 +1.510 1053/161.1 864/172.0
Sri Lanka 4 3 1 0 0 6 +1.549 1057/196.0 747/194.2
South Africa 5 3 2 0 0 6 -0.199 1211/229.5 1285/235.0
England 5 2 3 0 0 4 +0.079 1102/244.5 1054/238.2
West Indies 5 1 4 0 0 2 -1.212 1065/238.1 1349/237.2
Bangladesh 5 1 4 0 0 2 -1.431 784/218.0 925/184.0
Ireland 4 0 4 0 0 0 -1.385 700/183.0 884/169.4

 

[Swervy]

Haha yeah, the table makes odd reading. NZ on top, and England having a better NRR than SA, weird.



Super Eights Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
New Zealand 4 4 0 0 0 8 +1.728 830/159.4 694/200.0
Australia 4 4 0 0 0 8 +1.510 1053/161.1 864/172.0
Sri Lanka 4 3 1 0 0 6 +1.549 1057/196.0 747/194.2
South Africa 5 3 2 0 0 6 -0.199 1211/229.5 1285/235.0
England 5 2 3 0 0 4 +0.079 1102/244.5 1054/238.2
West Indies 5 1 4 0 0 2 -1.212 1065/238.1 1349/237.2
Bangladesh 5 1 4 0 0 2 -1.431 784/218.0 925/184.0
Ireland 4 0 4 0 0 0 -1.385 700/183.0 884/169.4

well, whilst everyone moans about Englands bowling, they have infact not been smashed around too much, unlike South Africa, who have actually gone for big runs!!!!

 

[wpdavid]

The weird thing is, is that we always seem to make a hash of it against the 'Minnows', and do fairly OK against the stronger sides like Aus and SA.

Not last time we played SA, although I suppose that could be slightly explained by stupidly-long-oneday-series-tagged-onto-end-of-tour syndrome.

At least SA won't have the sort of spin attack that nearly did for us today. But their quicks will fancy bowling on this strip, I think. Anything Mahmood can do, you'd have to back Ntini to do rather better.

 

[Dasgupta]

Haha yeah, the table makes odd reading. NZ on top, and England having a better NRR than SA, weird.

Nothing weird about that really

 

[Ash_A55]

well, whilst everyone moans about Englands bowling, they have infact not been smashed around too much, unlike South Africa, who have actually gone for big runs!!!!

I think SA have poor variation in thier bowling attack, surely going to cause them problems in the Semis (If they make it)

 

[PhoenixFire]

well, whilst everyone moans about Englands bowling, they have infact not been smashed around too much, unlike South Africa, who have actually gone for big runs!!!!

I guess that is right actually. England's bowler have actually done better than expected this tournament, it's their batting that has let them down.

 

[Steulen]

beleive it or not, England have stretched their lead regarding NRR over South Africa

That's what you get when you bowl sides out cheaply. Their run rate is calculated over 50 overs and even a ghastly dire feeble win like today's will boost the NRR.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Yeah, ridculous really. Englands NRR should basically have stayed the same or gone down, because of their slow and rubbish batting.

 

[Swervy]

That's what you get when you bowl sides out cheaply. Their run rate is calculated over 50 overs and even a ghastly dire feeble win like today's will boost the NRR.

indeed...although I really do think everyone is being a bit patronising when it comes to B'desh now. Lets face it, a win is a win, and England did get B'desh out cheaply (remember B'desh have already dismissed SA and India for under 200 this WC).

If this had been a win against SA in this manner, I dont think anyone would be saying words like ghastly, dire or feeble....and sure B'desh arent South Africa, B'desh are the team that just whipped South Africas ass.

So maybe a bit more credit to B'desh here for a good performance second half.

 

[Swervy]

Yeah, ridculous really. Englands NRR should basically have stayed the same or gone down, because of their slow and rubbish batting.

hahaha..why? Maybe we should just get a panel of 4 judges to give teams marks out of 10 for batting prowess, instead of having NRR (which remember includes a teams bowling performances as well)