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Minnows - Do we need them, do they improve with us?

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I was referring to Morgan - O'Brien is clearly a reasonable batsman.

Nonetheless - it was 1 innings. What exactly are you expecting from him for the rest of the tournament?
Evidently, he only needed one innings to make a significant difference to the team.

And pesonally, I'm expecting him to average low 30s for the rest of the series.
 

LA ICE-E

State Captain
Less is more says Martin Williamson on CricInfo. He makes a good point, in that he acknowledges that it is good to have Associates in the World Cup, but notes that it's important that there aren't too many.

One of his most notable points is that the ICC Trophy is far too distant from the World Cup.
the only team that shouldn't be there, even though it was fun watching them, was bermuda. So for the most part, its all good. Canada needs to have some home grown players...but iif you look at it though...most sports, even soccer, have players who are not home grown representing other countries...for example, in my school, we won the state championship for soccer and guess what? none of them are from here, all are expats from mexico...does it mean amiricans don't play it? no they do...but still when you move, you make it your new home and you should be able to represent it...Also the icc trophy was 2 years earlier was because to give a chance for the minnows to get better and get prepared for the wc...and they have for though for the most part...except for bermuda who have fallen back...but give them some slacks they showed a interesting performance! And most people in that tiny island and cricket crazy too...
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Canada needs to have some home grown players...
Define "home-grown".

Aseem, for instance, is pretty well home-grown, but he's still an India fan when they're playing.

It'll take a hell of a lot to get loads of Canadians with no immigrant history playing cricket. If Canada are ever going to be a force, it'll almost certainly need to be through third\fourth\etc. generation migrants.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Evidently, he only needed one innings to make a significant difference to the team.
It took just 1 on this occasion. It could quite easily have not.

You could put Kevin Pietersen in the Ireland side and they still wouldn't be ODI-class.
 

LA ICE-E

State Captain
Define "home-grown".

Aseem, for instance, is pretty well home-grown, but he's still an India fan when they're playing.

It'll take a hell of a lot to get loads of Canadians with no immigrant history playing cricket. If Canada are ever going to be a force, it'll almost certainly need to be through third\fourth\etc. generation migrants.
home-grown = if you're born in that country...

So? I'm an indian fan when they are playing...im not indian or my parents aren't either...really because the usa and canada were all immigrants...unless your talking about the native indians which there isn't many left...but you're right more generations need to play cricket but you can't exclude someone who adopts it as their new home or a 2nd genation their birth rights...but you're right more canadians doesn't matter there ancestry...but canadians need to play cricket....they are the only odi associate that needs help in that everyone else is ok...but its ok for now cause almost all sports are like that... even soccer...
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
home-grown = if you're born in that country...

So? I'm an indian fan when they are playing...im not indian or my parents aren't either...really because the usa and canada were all immigrants...unless your talking about the native indians which there isn't many left...but you're right more generations need to play cricket but you can't exclude someone who adopts it as their new home or a 2nd genation their birth rights...but you're right more canadians doesn't matter there ancestry...but canadians need to play cricket....they are the only odi associate that needs help in that everyone else is ok...but its ok for now cause almost all sports are like that... even soccer...
WTF?

And really, I don't imagine birthplace has any impact. I don't imagine Derek Pringle considers himself Kenyan, or Colin Cowdrey Indian. All that matters is attitude. Kevin Pietersen might be SAfrican but as far as cricket is concerned he's British.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Not really. It's all mostly about upbringing, and occasionally even that counts for nothing.

The thing, of course, is that birthplace and place of upbringing are usually the same.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Already read it, and commented on it in another thread. Not the most convincing of efforts from Rahul, nowhere does he mention the 1970s and 1980s.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
And we've already established that you, and seemingly most other people, don't actually know anything much about its popularity back in ' day.
 

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