Group B - Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Bermuda

[silentstriker]

Because their world cup hopes could depend on it?

There is a fine line between sportsmanship and foolishness. I am not saying you are wrong, but there is clearly grey area here in this particular situation whether you leave the call to the umpires.

The counter arguer would say are the few runs more important to Bermuda in a game they are surely going to lose, or India who need the run rate to advance? Or do you make the 'right' (wrong?) decision, no matter what.

I'm saying that if you do things like that, you have no right to get high and mighty about sportsmanship later on. If you're going to do what it takes to win, then you can't get on other people for sledging, or over appealing or anything like that.

 

[silentstriker]

Leverock just ran faster than a gazelle for that run!

 

[silentstriker]

I think the pitch has huge cracks now though, but Leverock outran his partner that time!

 

[RhyZa]

I'm saying that if you do things like that, you have no right to get high and mighty about sportsmanship later on. If you're going to do what it takes to win, then you can't get on other people for sledging, or over appealing or anything like that.

Who exactly is 'you' ? I assume this has to do with another Indian and his recent remarks.

There is a time and place for sportsmanship IMO. I know this might seem compromising and ingenuine but if I was a fan of a certain team, this is exactly how I would want it. If run rate was not a factor, he should have absolutely done so, no questions asked. Since it is, I don't believe you can chide him too harshly for leaving it to the umpires. But to each his own.

 

[The Baconator]

Anyone just willing Leverock to have a swing? It'd go miles.

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

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Kudos to the Indian team. This was much needed to boost their run-rate.
Now a win against the Lankas would seal it up well for the Super-8s !!!!!

 

[Scaly piscine]

Trademark Agarkar boosting his average with some cheap wickets whilst being complete crap most of the time.

 

[viktor]

They need to finish this off as soon as possible now. Every run scored brings the NRR lower, to state the obvious.

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

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They need to finish this off as soon as possible now. Every run scored brings the NRR lower, to state the obvious.

But doesn't winning by a fair margin count ?????

Please educate me about this whole NRR thing, I am practically dumb and have barely any knowledge about it !!!!!

 

[adharcric]

Who exactly is 'you' ? I assume this has to do with another Indian and his recent remarks.

There is a time and place for sportsmanship IMO. I know this might seem compromising and ingenuine but if I was a fan of a certain team, this is exactly how I would want it. If run rate was not a factor, he should have absolutely done so, no questions asked. Since it is, I don't believe you can chide him too harshly for leaving it to the umpires. But to each his own.

Conditional sportsmanship is not sportsmanship. It's a facade. There is nothing wrong with stretching the rules to your advantage (appealling when you're not sure if it's out) because the other team will do it as well. Sledging is fine as well as long as it doesn't get too personal or rascist. As SS said, don't expect anyone to take your whining seriously if you do what it takes to win - be a complete sportsman (Vishwanath, anyone else?) or play to win but don't cross certain limits.

 

[viktor]

But doesn't winning by a fair margin count ?????

Please educate me about this whole NRR thing, I am practically dumb and have barely any knowledge about it !!!!!

It does! Absolutely!!
However, if we don't bowl them out for <= 163, we end up with a lower NRR than SL. Might complicate things further.
NRR = Runs scored/50(or the number of overs faced if you don't get all out) - Runs against/50 (or number of overs faced if not all out).
For a multi-team/multimatch tournament, just sum up the NRRs from individual matches

Cricinfo has a page where they explain it much better...
anyway 9 down...

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

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It does! Absolutely!!
However, if we don't bowl them out for <= 163, we end up with a lower NRR than SL. Might complicate things further.
NRR = Runs scored/50(or the number of overs faced if you don't get all out) - Runs against/50 (or number of overs faced if not all out).
For a multi-team/multimatch tournament, just sum up the NRRs from individual matches

Cricinfo has a page where they explain it much better...
anyway 9 down...

Thx for the info .....156 all out. So India's NRR is better than SL's !!!!!

 

[viktor]

Yes..only just but every little bit helps

 

[silentstriker]

Who exactly is 'you' ? I assume this has to do with another Indian and his recent remarks.

There is a time and place for sportsmanship IMO. I know this might seem compromising and ingenuine but if I was a fan of a certain team, this is exactly how I would want it. If run rate was not a factor, he should have absolutely done so, no questions asked. Since it is, I don't believe you can chide him too harshly for leaving it to the umpires. But to each his own.

'You' is any player/fan/ICC official who criticizes someone else but not India. If they criticize both, then its fair play

 

[viktor]

It does! Absolutely!!
However, if we don't bowl them out for <= 163, we end up with a lower NRR than SL. Might complicate things further.
NRR = Runs scored/50(or the number of overs faced if you don't get all out) - Runs against/50 (or number of overs faced if not all out).
For a multi-team/multimatch tournament, just sum up the NRRs from individual matches

Cricinfo has a page where they explain it much better...
anyway 9 down...

My bad..its runs scored/total overs faced -runs scored against/total oversfaced by oppn

 

[Turbinator]

Wow, congratulations. You predicted a win over......Bermuda. But you also predicted a win over Bangladesh and every other game that we've ever played. So whenever we win, you automatically can say you predicted it.

I, on the other hand, do exactly the same thing but in the opposite direction (though to be fair, I did say we would win).

Haha dawg, I wasn't cheering because we won against Bermuda, that was expected. I was cheering because as I said we came back hard and won convincingly. That's why I was boasting.

 

[Dick Rockett]

My bad..its runs scored/total overs faced -runs scored against/total oversfaced by oppn

You were mostly right the first time. It is calculated thus:

Runs scored/overs faced - Runs conceded/overs bowled, except that overs faced or conceded equals 50 when the batting side lost all ten wickets.

 

[RhyZa]

Conditional sportsmanship is not sportsmanship. It's a facade. There is nothing wrong with stretching the rules to your advantage (appealling when you're not sure if it's out) because the other team will do it as well. Sledging is fine as well as long as it doesn't get too personal or rascist. As SS said, don't expect anyone to take your whining seriously if you do what it takes to win - be a complete sportsman (Vishwanath, anyone else?) or play to win but don't cross certain limits.

This is too simplistic and naive a point of view.

For one, there are varying degrees of sportsmanship or lack thereof. Some things are clearly worse than others, while others simply give your team the best advantage without disrespecting the opponent. I'd categorize this safely in the latter category.

So if India went on to be eliminated (due to the extra runs given to Bermuda in a relatively meaningless game, from their perspective) because of said sportsmanship, you would laud and commend this decision? At what point does competitive spirit, especially in representing one's country, take over? It's one thing if he intentionally cheated, but to not go above and beyond what his duty is as a player to ensure the game is played in absolute fairness, is expecting a bit much.

I suspect that maybe the problem is me, and my knowledge of other sports; no way is this questioned in any other pro sports, in fact you would be hard pressed to find one occurence of similar sportsmanship. Cricket, is expected to be played to a higher standard, the so called gentleman's game, even though it has failed in other areas related to this fairness time and time again.

 

[Nishant]

its good now tht india r ahead of SL in terms of net run rate! Now we just have to wait 4 friday!

 

[viktor]

You were mostly right the first time. It is calculated thus:

Runs scored/overs faced - Runs conceded/overs bowled, except that overs faced or conceded equals 50 when the batting side lost all ten wickets.

I had initially thought that you calculate NRRs for individual matches and then add them but that is not so. That was the mistake I was making...