Which team has the worst bowling attack among the top8?

[sirdj]

Ignoring the fact that over his last 20 games, he has improved considerably as a bowler.....

Has Agarkar even played 20 ODI in the last season??

 

[Turbinator]

So is that what your usual plan of action is?? to overwhelm someone with opposing views??

If you cant bother to state facts..........then dont..............no one forces your finger to click submit you know.

Listen I've tried my best to respond to your illogical posts with as much facts as possible, but I can't be bothered to respond back if you haven't countered my views using facts yourself.

 

[sirdj]

How on earth does it weaken their batting ?

To play 2 spinners they have to not play one of Utthapa/Yuvraj/Sehwag/Ganguly

The tournament is not going to be a 13 a side match you know.

 

[sirdj]

Listen I've tried my best to respond to your illogical posts with as much facts as possible, but I can't be bothered to respond back if you haven't countered my views using facts yourself.

Please do not hide behind the excuse of logic, because your posts are anything but logical.
It is YOU who has not mentioned relevant facts so far.

If you cant be bothered to reply, then I cant be bothered to discuss. Bye, see you on Monday.

 

[Turbinator]

Please do not hide behind the excuse of logic, because your posts are anything but logical.
It is YOU who has not mentioned relevant facts so far.

If you cant be bothered to reply, then I cant be bothered to discuss. Bye, see you on Monday.

Haha, dawg chill relax. Man we both don't see each others posts as logical, the only difference is others don't see your posts as logical either . Therefore, there is really no point in discussing any longer.

Back to the original argument, unless you prove to me how exactly India's bowling line-up is the worst, I cannot deliver a productive response. I can only counter your views from what I have seen of these Indian bowlers, which I have done in each post.

Anyways, chill man, no need to get worked up here.

 

[Laurrz]

with pitch and conditions taken into count

i picked West Indies

Pakistan have a couple of plucky spinners

 

[sirdj]

the only difference is others don't see your posts as logical either . Therefore, there is really no point in discussing any longer.

Is it others or other "Indians"................before you start jumping on what I just wrote, just think about it.

Back to the original argument, unless you prove to me how exactly India's bowling line-up is the worst, I cannot deliver a productive response. I can only counter your views from what I have seen of these Indian bowlers, which I have done in each post.

Like I have said earlier India will field only 4 'real' bowlers............now you ask why??? Its because that is what Chappell and Dravid have been trying out for the last 2 years. Why the hell do you think they have been doing it? To practice for the world cup what else.

So if you only have 4 bowlers as compared to other teams that have 5..........then you have a weak attack to start with as your last bowler is a part-timer.

Secondly Zaheer has been known to fall apart in EVERY high pressure match that he has played...........Pathan is currently not in good form, Munaf is not up to speed, and Sreesanth is relatively inexperienced.

What other facts do you need. I have already mentioned that its a toss-up between India and Sri Lanka as besides Vaas and Murali...........they are worse than India.

 

[Turbinator]

Okay SirDJ this will probably be my last post on this matter for today, since I'm pretty darn sleepy atm.

What you must understand is atm, the Pakistan and WI bowling attack is really not better than the Indian one if you take a look at recent performances. I don't need facts or numbers to prove that, it should be fairly straight forward.

Also, these 27 people that have voted for WI and Pak instead of India, aren't complete idiots. They know their cricket.

And I think Liam's (Mr. Mxyzptlk) first few posts summed it up quite.

We can continue this discussion on msn if you'd like.

 

[Turbinator]

Is it others or other "Indians"................before you start jumping on what I just wrote, just think about it.

No, others. Just look at a lot of the posts in this forum. A lot of non Indians have not voted for India to be the worst attack.

Like I have said earlier India will field only 4 'real' bowlers............now you ask why??? Its because that is what Chappell and Dravid have been trying out for the last 2 years. Why the hell do you think they have been doing it? To practice for the world cup what else.

So if you only have 4 bowlers as compared to other teams that have 5..........then you have a weak attack to start with as your last bowler is a part-timer.

Secondly Zaheer has been known to fall apart in EVERY high pressure match that he has played...........Pathan is currently not in good form, Munaf is not up to speed, and Sreesanth is relatively inexperienced.

What other facts do you need. I have already mentioned that its a toss-up between India and Sri Lanka as besides Vaas and Murali...........they are worse than India.

It's because in recent times, Tendulkar and Sehwag have done quite a decent job to contain the sides. Plus, they will look to play 5 if required.

And what shows that the current West Indian and Pak bowlers won't fall apart in pressure situations. And Munaf is not up to speed you say, well he's done a great job over the past few months without it. And Zaheer and Agarkar are also, once again I say, in pretty good form.

 

[sirdj]

What you must understand is atm, the Pakistan and WI bowling attack is really not better than the Indian one if you take a look at recent performances. I don't need facts or numbers to prove that, it should be fairly straight forward.

You dont seem to need facts to prove a point while someone arguing with you does. Is this a fair playing field or has match fixing taken place.

Also, these 27 people that have voted for WI and Pak instead of India, aren't complete idiots. They know their cricket.

Well collective opinion counts for jack sh1t.........500 years ago every man on this planet thought that the world was flat..........we all know what the world is now.

We can continue this discussion on msn if you'd like.

Sorry I dont use any of Mr.Gate's software.

 

[Turbinator]

We're really gonna' be going around in circles.

Anyways, let the WC get rolling, then we'll talk furthermore on this matter.

 

[Turbinator]

Sorry I dont use any of Mr.Gate's software.

How do you manage to survive ?

 

[Turbinator]

For now, I am out, goodnight and goodluck. Btw, don't try to avoid the filter there with a 1 in between the ****, or else you'll get a warning from James.

 

[sirdj]

No, others. Just look at a lot of the posts in this forum. A lot of non Indians have not voted for India to be the worst attack.

OK so its now about being the worst........well I have so far not mentioned even once that India is the worst.........that great position goes to Sri Lanka, what I say is that India is not far behind.

It's because in recent times, Tendulkar and Sehwag have done quite a decent job to contain the sides. Plus, they will look to play 5 if required.

Sachin bowls too many loose balls an over and Sehwag is only ok if the pitch assists. I wonder what will happen on a pitch that favours seam and pace. And if Tendulkar and Sehwag are good enough against the like of South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

And what shows that the current West Indian and Pak bowlers won't fall apart in pressure situations.

whether they(WI and Pak bowlers) crack under pressure or not we still dont know, but as regards Zaheer its a known fact.

And Munaf is not up to speed you say, well he's done a great job over the past few months without it. And Zaheer and Agarkar are also, once again I say, in pretty good form.

Is success counted by a match against Holland?? And I would not be too sure about the win against WI, they won the last series 4-1 so the current result still makes the score in their favour.

Like I said earlier the real test is against Australia/ South Africa and New Zealand.

 

[sirdj]

How do you manage to survive ?

Ever heard of open source?

 

[sirdj]

For now, I am out, goodnight and goodluck. Btw, don't try to avoid the filter there with a 1 in between the ****, or else you'll get a warning from James.

how is a word like sh1t worse than a word like idiot or moron used badly? It depends on the usage you know.

besides I could say something to you in hindi and no-one would be the wiser.

 

[Turbinator]

Ever heard of open source?

I'll take that as a rhetorical question. Anyways, I will surely respond to the post above, but later as I am really tired and sleepy atm.

Perhaps, Dasa will take over as I see him reading the thread hehe .

 

[Turbinator]

how is a word like sh1t worse than a word like idiot or moron used badly? It depends on the usage you know.

Dawg I don't make the rules. I was just informing you. Talk to James or one of the mods if you have a problem with it.

 

[Dasa]

Man I wish adharcric/Dasa/Jono or any other Indian poster were here, they would give you some really great responses because i certainly can't be bothered to respond to stuff like this.

Haha, I'll take a stab.

The reason why he had the most wickets was because none of the other bowlers played all the matches.

The reason why he wont be picked for matches now is because the WI series was lost 1-4, and to have the best result in a lost series counts for nothing.

No logic there. Just because the rest of the team underperformed means his excellent performance with the ball means nothing? Why bother even keeping the records of players in matches/series they've lost then. You can't just disregard results you don't like....figures of 9 wickets at an average of less than 20 and an economy rate of 3.47 (!!) are remarkable.

Thirdly his pace is such that if there is no assistance from the pitch, he can be easily hit.

He certainly can be hittable, but recently Agarkar has been a much improved ODI bowler, and has rarely gone for many.

None of the current Indian bowlers are clocking 140 as demonstrated in the warm up matches, and that includes Munaf. I wonder why?

The only reason why Agarkar still hangs around the Indian lineup is due to his alleged batting abilities.

What does hitting 140 or not matter? If they're bowling accurately (which Agarkar and Munaf have done), extra pace will be of little use considering neither will ever be express 150+ pace.

yes why let facts get into the way of your arguement?

or could it just be that the speed guns back in Vizag were not calibrated properly??

Actually, it seems as if you're the one without the facts. Again, you've seen a result you don't like so the solution is to make up some sort of criteria so you can disregard it. Do you have any proof that it was a fact that the speed guns weren't calibrated properly? If not, you have no grounds to make that claim.

So is that what your usual plan of action is?? to overwhelm someone with opposing views??

If you cant bother to state facts..........then dont..............no one forces your finger to click submit you know.

Again, take a look back at the posts in this thread and see who is really avoiding the facts. I'm not quite sure what you hope to achieve by throwing accusations at other forummers.

Please do not hide behind the excuse of logic, because your posts are anything but logical.
It is YOU who has not mentioned relevant facts so far.

If you cant be bothered to reply, then I cant be bothered to discuss. Bye, see you on Monday.

Hahaha. I'm thinking you might just be here to stir people up because thus far it's hard to take your posts seriously.

Is it others or other "Indians"................before you start jumping on what I just wrote, just think about it.

Irrelevant. Most of the Indian fans on this forum are pretty unbiased and can recognise negatives in their own team where they exist. Most also don't take kindly to being accused of bias.

Like I have said earlier India will field only 4 'real' bowlers............now you ask why??? Its because that is what Chappell and Dravid have been trying out for the last 2 years. Why the hell do you think they have been doing it? To practice for the world cup what else.

So if you only have 4 bowlers as compared to other teams that have 5..........then you have a weak attack to start with as your last bowler is a part-timer.

Many of the other teams in the World Cup won't be going in with five frontline bowlers.

Secondly Zaheer has been known to fall apart in EVERY high pressure match that he has played...........Pathan is currently not in good form, Munaf is not up to speed, and Sreesanth is relatively inexperienced.

...and this is one of your facts? Where's the proof? All you've given are opinions, not facts.

You dont seem to need facts to prove a point while someone arguing with you does. Is this a fair playing field or has match fixing taken place.

Again all this talk of facts. If you're so concerned with facts, then show some!

Well collective opinion counts for jack sh1t.........500 years ago every man on this planet thought that the world was flat..........we all know what the world is now.

You are entitled to think that...however, having been on this forum for quite some time and knowing most of the members, I don't think our collective opinions count for jack-****. If you really think that, I don't see why you're bothering to discuss cricket with us.

 

[Turbinator]

Haha... and Dasa lays the smackdown.

Anyways, what he said about a lot of the Indian poster on CW not being biased is very true. Also, your posts have been, like Dasa said, based more on personal opinion than facts.