**Official** Chappell-Hadlee Series

[Craig]

My side for the 3rd game would be:

Hayden
Watson
Haddin+
Hussey*
Hodge
White
Voges
Johnson
Bracken
Tait
McGrath

Tait and Johnson are going to the WC and need bowling. I realise Hogg does too, but he's played both games, whereas Tait's played one and Johnson none. Law of averages for mine. Watson needs some time in the middle and hopefully he'll get it opening (though Bond could have something to say about that). Voges may as well have a game and despite everyone making valid points about Jaques never getting a good run, he's not going to the WC and he's played some atrocious roles so far in the series.

Like this one?

 

[Smudge]

Just watched the highlights now, as I had to work today. Few thoughts:


1) Cameron White might be a handy death batsman, but his legspinners are nothing short of embarrassing. At this stage, I'd put him comfortably ahead of Adam Huckle and Ian Salisbury as the worst legspinner I've seen in international cricket.

2) I hate to bring up a topic like this, but did anyone else think Tait's action today looked a bit, well, "sloppy"?

3) Hussey's captaincy was certainly reactive rather than proactive.

4) New Zealand was really found out when it came to a fifth bowler. Despite Vincent's second over, I actually liked the look of his bowling - wicket-to-wicket and he seemed to get a bit of deviation.

5) Taylor - bit streaky early but once he reached 50, he really got going. As usual, he looked tired when he got to three figures (understandably) and it might almost have been a blessing when he got out.

6) McMillan combined his usual arrogance with "game" - those shots he was carving through cover were magnificent.

 

[Prince EWS]

1) Cameron White might be a handy death batsman, but his legspinners are nothing short of embarrassing. At this stage, I'd put him comfortably ahead of Adam Huckle and Ian Salisbury as the worst legspinner I've seen in international cricket.

He's picked as a batsman though, as I've said at least 1000000 times by now. It'd be like come on here and ragging on Dravid for his poor off spinners. He's not picked for his bowling.

 

[Matt79]

Well done NZ - really didn't think they'd beat us, even at home. Sounds like Bond bowled beautifully. We obviously have a bit of thinking to do before the World Cup - again not panic stations, but a good hard think is clearly required.

Don't have time to post more - just wanted to prove that I hadn't stopped posting because the Aussies were losing!

 

[Smudge]

He's picked as a batsman though, as I've said at least 1000000 times by now. It'd be like come on here and ragging on Dravid for his poor off spinners. He's not picked for his bowling.

And I'm fully aware of that.

But just because he's picked as a batsman, it doesn't mean his bowling cannot be singled out for criticism when it's as crap as it is.

 

[Goughy]

whereas Tait's played one and Johnson none.

Hmm, *cough* Johnson played in the 1st one.

 

[Goughy]

1) Cameron White might be a handy death batsman, but his legspinners are nothing short of embarrassing. At this stage, I'd put him comfortably ahead of Adam Huckle and Ian Salisbury as the worst legspinner I've seen in international cricket.

He's picked as a batsman though, as I've said at least 1000000 times by now. It'd be like come on here and ragging on Dravid for his poor off spinners. He's not picked for his bowling.

You really think if he had never bowled a ball he would still be picked? From what I see, it is certainly a factor in his selection.

If he is picked purely as a batsmn then my heavy defence of Australian depth and production line is misplaced. He is a distance short of what I would define as an Australian standard batsman.

And yes to add what we all know, his bowling is horrible. Im I the only one who thinks his wrist is in completely the wrong position and everything comes out as a near topper? (going from memory)

 

[social]

You really think if he had never bowled a ball he would still be picked? From what I see, it is certainly a factor in his selection.

If he is picked purely as a batsmn then my heavy defence of Australian depth and production line is misplaced. He is a distance short of what I would define as an Australian standard batsman.

And yes to add what we all know, his bowling is horrible. Im I the only one who thinks his wrist is in completely the wrong position and everything comes out as a near topper? (going from memory)

You do realise that he scored 1200 runs at 60 with a strike rate of 80 in the last county season - that's hardly a dud and he would certainly walk into most international teams at present

As for his bowling, stems from arm position - past perpendicular mean wrist and head are completely in wrong position.

Unbelievable that he comes from same state as Warne but the problem is that, as captain, he refuses to bowl himself. He was a better bowler 3 years ago I'm afraid.

 

[Neil Pickup]

You do realise that he scored 1200 runs at 60 with a strike rate of 80 in the last county season - that's hardly a dud and he would certainly walk into most international teams at present

As for his bowling, stems from arm position - past perpendicular mean wrist and head are completely in wrong position.

Unbelievable that he comes from same state as Warne but the problem is that, as captain, he refuses to bowl himself. He was a better bowler 3 years ago I'm afraid.

If you were him, would you bowl yourself...?

 

[social]

If you were him, would you bowl yourself...?

Has to bowl a lot more - he's relatively young and apparently has a good head on his shoulders.

I assume that he's lost all confidence in his own bowling but needs to be told that being a smarter version of Afridi with the bat is not enough by itself to guarantee his future in ODIs

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Hmm, *cough* Johnson played in the 1st one.

Yeah, I know. Poor statement. I'd still play him though, then all 3 bowlers will have had equal game time in this series.

In response to White, he certainly was a much better bowler 3 years ago. He actually turned it a little, and wasn't so high in his action (IMO). He always looks rusty when he bowls because he's underbowled himself ridiculously over the past few seasons while he's been captain.

Victoria should pay Warne ridiculous amounts of money to try and coach him somewhat.

 

[Goughy]

You do realise that he scored 1200 runs at 60 with a strike rate of 80 in the last county season - that's hardly a dud and he would certainly walk into most international teams at present

As for his bowling, stems from arm position - past perpendicular mean wrist and head are completely in wrong position.

Unbelievable that he comes from same state as Warne but the problem is that, as captain, he refuses to bowl himself. He was a better bowler 3 years ago I'm afraid.

You could be right about the bowling. Ive not seen enough to have strong thoughts on the technique.

As for the batting. I dont think he is close to walking into most international teams.

Firstly, he still has a career mid-30s FC average

Secondly, His last season in CC was very nice but the following guys all scored more runs at a better average than White. Crawley, Lehmann, Goodwin, Matt Walker, Anthony McGrath, Ramprakash, Chris Rogers (who? ), HD Ackerman, Flower, Hamish Marshall and Klusener. It was a good season but hardly unique or special.

Thirdly, He has 7 FC 100s in 110 innings. That is a poor ratio. I look for good players to have a 1 in 10 ratio. He is a long way from that.

I just dont think he is a genuine specialist batsman for Aus in the future and certainly not the present. We are used to the batting talent being produced by Australia being of a higher standard.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I'd say if you took his first season or two out of that record it'd look much, much, much better. He was picked pretty young and raw and certainly has taken a while to find his feet in State Cricket in Australia.

 

[The Baconator]

Poor Hussey. Two games he's captain and he gets a gun hundred, but his bowlers/his captaincy can't do the job.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

It's actually his 3rd game as captain, and he's scored 2 hundreds as captain.

 

[Johnners]

You do realise that he scored 1200 runs at 60 with a strike rate of 80 in the last county season - that's hardly a dud and he would certainly walk into most international teams at present
As for his bowling, stems from arm position - past perpendicular mean wrist and head are completely in wrong position.

Unbelievable that he comes from same state as Warne but the problem is that, as captain, he refuses to bowl himself. He was a better bowler 3 years ago I'm afraid.

Hmmmmm not quite..... he's a talent, but he's certainly no walk in to most international teams at this stage in his career.

 

[pup11]

Yeah white has shown his talent when he has had to hit the ball long so thats not a problem with him, but the real issue with his batting is when it comes down building an innings with 1's and 2's but he would become a better batsman with time. I think rather than expecting him to bowl like warne i would be happy if he even bowls in the Symonds mould in odi's. He needs to work with Terry jenner, IMO.

 

[Turbinator]

Wow, what a match this must've been, should've watched it. I went to sleep when NZL needed about 112 in like 12 overs. Anyways, I'll probably watch the highlights.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

1) Cameron White might be a handy death batsman, but his legspinners are nothing short of embarrassing. At this stage, I'd put him comfortably ahead of Adam Huckle and Ian Salisbury as the worst legspinner I've seen in international cricket.

I'd even say Sarwan is a better legspinner than Cameron White at this stage.

 

[Jono]

That was one of the most disgraceful performances I've ever seen from Australia in the field and with the ball. Downright embarassing.